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lp345
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#1
I mean, it does have alot of great songs on it, but for such a revered album, it sure does have alot of filler/weak songs on it. Very overrated IMO....
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Shut the f*ck up Adölf Tom. Our threadstarting friend here is quite right.

Around this time the Clash started to write quantity over quality.

So instead of using 3 riffs and progressions in songs, they started using one per song. By the time they recorded sandanista, they did that exclusively.

Half the songs on London Calling, eg. Brand New Cadillac usw. are really good tracks, and the other half (eg. Jimmy Jazz, the Card Cheat, Lost in the Supermarket, The Guns of Brixton) are really f*cking sh*te.

For some reason, Messrs. Strummer and Jones thought that by going with quantity over quality they were being cool to their audiences. That's not a good idea.

Rick Wakemen went with quantity, complexity and polish over any fundamental talent, as as a result everything he ever did f*cking sucks. And his daughter's a f*cking bitch too. But that's another story.

Would you rather listen to 15 minutes of gold dust three times over, or 45 minutes of gold dust molested by twice its volume of drawn out filler?
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#7
I agree with what you said, although I do like some of the songs you called ****e, like Guns... and The Card Cheat

Most of the album I just find dreadfully dull and boring

I can't understand why critics have so much love for this album
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#8
Quote by BrianApocalypse
Shut the f*ck up Adölf Tom. Our threadstarting friend here is quite right.

Around this time the Clash started to write quantity over quality.

So instead of using 3 riffs and progressions in songs, they started using one per song. By the time they recorded sandanista, they did that exclusively.

Half the songs on London Calling, eg. Brand New Cadillac usw. are really good tracks, and the other half (eg. Jimmy Jazz, the Card Cheat, Lost in the Supermarket, The Guns of Brixton) are really f*cking sh*te.


Guns of Brixton is a classic....I mean it´s a great song, whatever you say. I rather think the second half is weaker than the first half. Jimmy Jazz is also good. The Card Cheat or Koka Kola aren´t so good, but still great. But even if they did quantity rather than quality.......the NY Dolls started with that at the beginning and people in this forum still love them because liking Elvis is unponx.
But why do you know that I´m Tom? I mean just the chatters know it or did you secretly looked at one of the band myspaces? CHEATER!
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It was voted the best album of the 1980's... but was released in 1979.

The only reason it's so popular is that it's been continually canonised for 30 years. When it came out it was an accessible pop record. The music critics rather liked it at the time, again and again they heralded it as a great album. Building it up year after year, influencing readers who would go on to write the magazines.

Also, music in the 1980's was utterly sh*t, talent went straight downhill because nobody played their own instruments and had to play along to tapes, or even mime, live.

So it's not surprising that the music industry coolmakers had to drag something in from another decade to be the best thing.
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
The only reason it's so popular is that it's been continually canonised for 30 years. When it came out it was an accessible pop record. The music critics rather liked it at the time, again and again they heralded it as a great album. Building it up year after year, influencing readers who would go on to write the magazines.


Maybe it was pop, but the thing is you cannot London Calling put into any genre, parts are ska, others aren´t Rudie can´t fail and Hateful are extraordinarily good songs
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Maybe it was pop, but the thing is you cannot London Calling put into any genre, parts are ska, others aren´t Rudie can´t fail and Hateful are extraordinarily good songs


That's why London Calling is a pop record. Because the songs are singable and accessible, and some of them did quite well in the charts. In terms of genre, it's a tapestry of various things.

There is a huge rock n' roll element though, which sucks because only 2 years before the clash declared there to be "no beatles, elvis or the rolling stones" and outright dismissed any pub rock bands like Eddie and the Hot Rods. Which is one reason why I f*cking hate the clash.

Rudie can't fail is an awesome song. I think that hateful is pretty much sh*t.

Clampdown is a good song.
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Quote by BrianApocalypse

There is a huge rock n' roll element though, which sucks because only 2 years before the clash declared there to be "no beatles, elvis or the rolling stones" and outright dismissed any pub rock bands like Eddie and the Hot Rods. Which is one reason why I f*cking hate the clash.

Rudie can't fail is an awesome song. I think that hateful is pretty much sh*t.

Clampdown is a good song.


In which songs are Rock ´n´ Roll elements? Rock ´n´Roll = Stray Cats!
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As I recall, BNC is in a very bluesy-rock format. And the lyrics.

Why the f*ck were the clash singing about cadillacs? They were supposed to be singing about what they ''knew'' (and I use that term loosely), about career opportunities and the likes.
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
As I recall, BNC is in a very bluesy-rock format. And the lyrics.

Why the f*ck were the clash singing about cadillacs? They were supposed to be singing about what they ''knew'' (and I use that term loosely), about career opportunities and the likes.


The Sex Pistols sang about Anarchy and who can say he knows anarchy?

and I wouldn´t say BNC is RnR just because the ternary feeling
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The Pistols never claimed to be a punk band. They just wanted to make f*ckloads of money, which they did.

The Clash were the ones who claimed to be real and in it for the music. And proceeded to sign to CBS despite being bored with the USA. perhaps the USA wasn't so boring when there was ten grand in it for them.

The USA certainly wasn't boring when they got sent out there to tour.
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
The Pistols never claimed to be a punk band. They just wanted to make f*ckloads of money, which they did.

The Clash were the ones who claimed to be real and in it for the music. And proceeded to sign to CBS despite being bored with the USA. perhaps the USA wasn't so boring when there was ten grand in it for them.

The USA certainly wasn't boring when they got sent out there to tour.


The USA as instituion or government is a whole different thing than the USA as country, whcih is a country like all of the others.
As I once said, they had models like Blue Öyster Cult and npthing else. They oriented at the old Rock bands, noone thought about boycottign a mayor label as done later by the Anarcho punkbands. I denunciate this too, but Sex Pistols wanted to sign at EMI, SLF did, the Buzzcocks did, Ramones were at Sire, the Stooges were on a mayor label, so why are The Clash damned for this?

EDIT: Furthermore Strumemr was more intelligent afterwards and said I wouldn´t sign there again and Jones offers his music for free.
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Because the Clash were THE outright socialist band. The other groups didn't have strong political agendas and a set of morals forbidding integration into the establishment.

To quote Mr Mark Perry: "To me, the Clash were always the band who were going to go out and do it for themselves."

He says that they could have quite legitimately have put out their own records and done extremely well.

Look at the damned - the first punk band to be chucking out records, they were on the newfangled independents. That would have been a legitimate route to go down.

As for your edit, it's easy for Strummer and Jones to say that on hindsight. The clash went into the music industry without any insight. And got ripped off. Jones has made so much money that he doesn't need to make any more.
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lavazza
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
Because the Clash were THE outright socialist band. The other groups didn't have strong political agendas and a set of morals forbidding integration into the establishment.

To quote Mr Mark Perry: "To me, the Clash were always the band who were going to go out and do it for themselves."

He says that they could have quite legitimately have put out their own records and done extremely well.

Look at the damned - the first punk band to be chucking out records, they were on the newfangled independents. That would have been a legitimate route to go down.


As I said there was no socialist band before them, furthermorethey had to build a whole new way, a new way to make music and a new way to think in the music business, which other band had to do it before?
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
It was voted the best album of the 1980's... but was released in 1979.


Sorry had to have it put up a second time.
lp345
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Who voted it the best album of the 80s????
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Woodie Guthran?

Oh yeah, some of the obscure hippy and hippy garage rock bands all were on independent labels. Although the punk era was when these labels took off, it wasn't a new thing.

While yeah, the clash were the band who made it problematic for punks to sign to majors, and they did stick out on their own a bit, they really weren't pioneers on any level.

Like I say, they could have quite legitimately followed the other early independent signing bands.

They signed to CBS because Bernie Rhodes was a greedy bastard.
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Actually, the Clash got offered a deal from Polydor too, which probably would have been more ethical and low-brow, but it was for less money, so Mick Jones said "we'll sign to CBS."

It's in the accompanying booklet to that 3cd box set of the Clash with the black cover. Can't remember the name.

And Bernie did tell them what to write about. Don't you find that ironic, as the clash are considered to be free minded, free thinking people?

Remember the famous comment "punk died the day the clash signed to CBS"? Allegedly, Strummer and Jones (who wrote 'now your rights' advocating free speech) told Perry (a member of the free press) that if he slagged them off again, he'd find himself at the bottom of the thames in concrete shoes.
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#25
Quote by BrianApocalypse
and the other half (eg. Jimmy Jazz, the Card Cheat, Lost in the Supermarket, The Guns of Brixton) are really f*cking sh*te.

Hey, I love all those songs!


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Quote by lavazza
Guns of Brixton is a classic....I mean it´s a great song, whatever you say. I rather think the second half is weaker than the first half. Jimmy Jazz is also good. The Card Cheat or Koka Kola aren´t so good, but still great. But even if they did quantity rather than quality.......the NY Dolls started with that at the beginning and people in this forum still love them because liking Elvis is unponx.
But why do you know that I´m Tom? I mean just the chatters know it or did you secretly looked at one of the band myspaces? CHEATER!

I'm going to take this opportunity to say that I completely agree with Brian and the TS. The Clash have a handful of songs I enjoy, and I wish they had written more of those. But I always feel like there's just a ton of filler shit. I just can NOT enjoy the Clash. London Calling had like 5 or 7 good songs, and the rest was just boring. Strummer's vocie is always too rough for me and Jones' is too much of a pop singer. I don't know, I just can't enjoy them and I'm always confused as to why they're praised as THE punk band.
But as much as I love you lavazza, I is tired of you bashing my Dolls. I love them so much, and far before I started posting on this forum. Seriously, how did they practice quantity over quality? They released two albums (three if you count the new one, but that's barely the same band), both of which were only 10 or 11 songs long. I mean, I don't wanna start an argument about opinions with you, haha, but what have you got against them?
Whatevz, we agree to disagree y'know, but why do you slam them in almost every thread you post in?
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The reason London Calling is considered the best of the 80's by Rolling Stone is because RS is an American magazine , and London Calling was released in the US in January of 1980. LC was definetly a move away from the original punk sound of the Clash , but it definetly had the best lyric writing of any album by the Clash. They begin to realize there are bigger social and political issues in the world than there are in England. Such as in London Calling , Spanish Bombs and Koka Kola. Guns of Brixton is a classic song but like every other album there are some songs that are good but not great. And i don't see how you can knock them for trying new things. Should they just never chnage their sound and be the same all their lives , or risk their careers and make music that they want to make ?
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No one's bashing them for trying new things. They're being bashed because they tried new things which happened to really suck.
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that´s a really good thread man......it´ll surely be in the choice to become my favourite thread in the polls next year. But I´m interested in one thing: Is it a typo that you wrote London Calling and did you mean American Idiot?



c'mon. Play nice. He's just stating a valid opinion. Plenty of regulars here have said similar things.
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Lavazza I'd love to back you right now but I'm too hung over to live at this point and can't move on like 8 tylenol PMs. On top of that I'm finding what some people are posting here is comical.
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London Calling is one of my favourite albums ever. I love almost every single song. I can't begin to describe why I like it so much. The songs are incredibly well-crafted, the musicianship is amazing, the lyrics are fantastic - covering a lot of aspects of life, it's incredibly varried and the fusion of styles broke barriers between punk and other genres of music.

I know that a lot of guys here don't consider it a punk album - more of a rock album that happens to make social and political statements. I know that a lot of people say that they were "selling out". To be honest, I don't care if it's a punk album or not. It's an album full of incredible music. That's enough for me.
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Quote by antianti99
The reason London Calling is considered the best of the 80's by Rolling Stone is because RS is an American magazine , and London Calling was released in the US in January of 1980.


Aha, of course.

Cheers for clarifying.
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#33
I haven't actually given an opinion yet, I should.
Its a damn good album, mostly solid songs (only "Four Horsemen" does nothing for me) but 19 songs is a bit much. It can be hard to listen to together. For the record, I am never going to attempt to listen to Sandinista all the way through.
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Are you trying to say the Clash are too deep for me? Really?
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London Calling was the first punk album i ever owned or listened to so I'll always have a special place for it.
I think it probly could have been trimmed a little more but its still one of my favorite albums ever, any genre.
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Quote by HiImKindaNewAnd
Sorry had to have it put up a second time.



Haha seriously

but that album came in AMERICA in 1980.....

THAT is why...

but yeah that album is totally overrated pop.

and was DEFY the sell out album for sure...

Plus the Clash are such bull ****ers......

I saw them on youtube on the "TOM SNYDER SHOW!" playing The Magnificent Seven, god that song sucks.... anyways, so after the band played they had a cute little interview, Strummer had his totally gay red leather vest on, and was combing his hair during whole interview... anyways....

So they are saying that "LIFE IS BORING AND WERE NOT RICH" bull ****.... after signing with Cbs YEARS before they made a bucket load with White Riot, and DUH London Calling...

so yeah..... I like some of the Clash's stuff, but F**k them and there stupid bull ****e political agenda lies

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What's the matter, too DEEP for you guys?

haha, that's exactly what i think too. sorry, but punk is more than just 3 power chords.
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#39
You two (Leonheart and Daytripper) do realize that the majority of people here who aren't fans of the Clash / London Calling are more than aware of that?
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#40
I enjoy the Clash's music and I enjoy London Calling. Anyone who wants to make fun of me is wasting their time.
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