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BrianApocalypse
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In order to avoid moral decay of the other threads, I thought that it would be neat to discuss what we thought of other guitarists.

Please note: Non punk forum regulars (that's right, I'm referring to YOU, Berk Hammett, metallica fanboy extraordinaire) who want to come in and say "punk guitarists suck lol its all powerchords", please don't bother.

Anyways, here we go. To clarify the statements proposed in the Stooges thread:

I don't particularly like Johnny Thunders. Sometimes his random w*nking works on the Dolls and HB's songs, sometimes it doesn't. I also think that the Dresden Dolls f*cking suck, and are only known because they have Dolls in their name.

I don't think that Cheetah Chrome is THAT good. He's alright though, and it was cool how he came to post here.

Yes, I like Jerry Garcia, because he's a really interesting player who kept evolving right up until his death. Unfortunately his playing does lack balls. It's all laid back quiet stuff. In the same way that Johnny Ramone is all upfront loud stuff. When there is no loud, there can be no quiet. And vice versa.

My favourite guitarist at the moment is the fantastic Peter Koppes. He really is top f*cking notch.

I like Mick Jones.

I don't like Ron Asheton. Very mediocre.
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i like New York Hardcore punk outfits cuz they all look like ex-cons or they could kill you if you say the wrong thing =D
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erm, does billie joe armstrong count? cos, like...green day ftw, and all that.

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i like New York Hardcore punk outfits cuz they all look like ex-cons or they could kill you if you say the wrong thing =D



k k lol lol


How long til people begin the moral decay of this thread?
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I think that it's already started. But at least it'll have drummed up some activity.

East Bay Ray, is of course a good guitar player, even though he just copies Syd Barrett and David Gilmour.
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To say it at the beginning I love Link Wray, though I just know Rumble and it´s not even such a great song......you ask why? He invented the powerchord! You dicks hate it, but there is no better tool than a powerchord, and don´t say it´s so easy to use them, because when you can play a powerchord you can also play usual barrés.

I think that Olga is a great guitarist, though he uses lots of metal riffs. Furthermore I like Mick Jones, because he plays a lead, whcih always fits, but I cannot really copy. Paul Cripple is also great, since I saw him playing live I prefer him to Greg Ginn.
Who else but Bruce Treasure should I add. He used to play simple but good solos on the old Subhumans CDs and on the new he just plays good chord progressions and stuff which fits.

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I also think that the Dresden Dolls f*cking suck, and are only known because they have Dolls in their name.


How could an English prick like Dresden?
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I really like Ron Asheton...great riffs, efficient, raw
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I've noticed the threads Brian's been making have been becoming worse on an exponential scale.

It's almost gotten to the point where Brian just wants to call someone a **** or something. Like I can't remember Brian's last post where he didn't call someone a ****. It's becoming very problematic.
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The use of powerchords has pretty much killed musicianship. Seriously, with the dawn of the 80's, it was OK for hardcore kids both sides of the channel to play random 4 powerchord progressions that don't work over and over again. Then the metalheads started doing it. Then the grungers started doing it. Then the nu metalheads started downtuning too, and what we're seeing now is basically sonic sludge.

I mean, who do it? There is a limit how far you can actually go down. Music sucks at the moment, because it's either all low spectrum metalcore crap, which is one dimensional bollocks with nothing at the top, or it's indie, which has some high end, but no balls.

You do know about the Mick Jones technique, right?
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How could an English prick like Dresden?


I like Neu! and Rammstein.

And that makes me multi-cultural.

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I've noticed the threads Brian's been making have been becoming worse on an exponential scale.

It's almost gotten to the point where Brian just wants to call someone a **** or something. Like I can't remember Brian's last post where he didn't call someone a ****. It's becoming very problematic.


That's a bit of an exxageration. I haven't called anyone a **** today.
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Quote by BrianApocalypse
The use of powerchords has pretty much killed musicianship. Seriously, with the dawn of the 80's, it was OK for hardcore kids both sides of the channel to play random 4 powerchord progressions that don't work over and over again. Then the metalheads started doing it. Then the grungers started doing it. Then the nu metalheads started downtuning too, and what we're seeing now is basically sonic sludge.

You do know, that Blues rhythm guitarists used powerchords before?, they just put on their little finger as 6th sometimes. Inventive!
Though I admit that there is a lot of Metalcore **** today, though the powerchord was the biggest present for the 80s punkscene of Germany. And I just have a rough knowledge of Jones´ technique.

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I like Neu! and Rammstein.

And that makes me multi-cultural.

Liking Rammstein does not make you multicultural, it makes your taste less reliable.......let´s say Rammstein are damn fools. I mean as an American you also cannot like the Hiroshima Dolls
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How could an English prick like Dresden?

The same way a German could never like Israel, duhrrr.

Does Converge count as punk? Cause Kurt Ballou is ****ing amazing. Greg Ginn is a great player too. And also Ron Asheton is awesome (the intro of Gimme Danger, c'mon!). Some other people that will come to me later are good too.

I can't actually think of anyone I don't like.
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Ron Asheton did not play guitar on Raw Power. James Williamson I think...
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I AM so multicultural. I f*cking hate west indian music though.

'Blues' is just boring restrictive bollocks. Even when they play interesting jazz chords they don't go anywhere. F*ck the 'blues'.

I also hate how middle class c*nts from surrey like say, Eric Clapton are hailed as being authenic blues gods. Bollocks, no-one knows what authentic blues even sounds like. That's why I use 'these things' when I say 'blues', because these spineless twats aren't playing blues, they're playing 'blues' that's been whitened and re-blackened, then re-whitened again.
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Robert Johnson is good blues...
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The same way you could never like jews, duhrrr.


That's just plain racist

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Robert Johnson is good blues...


Some of it is.

Hellhound on my trial is a bit of a mindf*ck, which I like.

Dust my broom and Sweet Home Chicago just suck.
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That's just plain racist

I hope that's sarcasm dude.
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I AM so multicultural. I f*cking hate west indian music though.

'Blues' is just boring restrictive bollocks. Even when they play interesting jazz chords they don't go anywhere. F*ck the 'blues'.


Yesterday we´ve talked about The Doors........and yes I don´t like Clapton too.

Rammstein is americanised, though sounding european wouldn´t help them either.

Powerchords can soudn aggressive and they don´t have the kind of character of major and minor chords, they are just chords and that´s it
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Such unwashed plebian literary technique holds no precendence over my arsenal of smarts.

Power Chords aren't in fact chords.

Some power chords can be quite interesting. They don't have to be root and fifth. They can be root and minor third, root and minor second (a mindf*ck indeed), or root and diminished fifth.

What is music without character? It certainly isn't the work of yours truly.
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I'm not a punk fan, yet, but I am in the process of reaching out to it 'cause I bloody love seeing Punk bands live, the energy is far superior than Indie or Metal. If you want to slag me for being in the Punk forum and not being a serious fan, go ahead, it will only make me avoid punk music even more because I will have realised what their fans are really like when at home and away from the music...
Bar-chords are just chords, why take it so seriously? Technically the key of E has been so overused, it should be now extinct and annoying. I still write tunes in E and so do about a million others.
Just because something has been used and re-used, evolved and been up and down everywhere, doesn't mean its the bane of music at the moment or any moment in time, for that matter, it shows how brilliant it really is when it has stood the test of time.
Link Wray is a genius and has not grown stale in my opinion. Punk guitarists never grow boring in my eyesm, they were always the same to me and they will always be that way, to my ears this is. They all have energy and impression and thats what matters.
Like I said though, I am unaware of most punk guitarists, I just know I don't listening to Punk guitarists who seem to be about some sought of skin-head image with a hundred tattoos and an attitude that would make a baby scowl.
Am I making any sense or do I need to learn some more about Punk before I state something of this caliber?
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I'm not a punk fan, yet, but I am in the process of reaching out to it 'cause I bloody love seeing Punk bands live, the energy is far superior than Indie or Metal. If you want to slag me for being in the Punk forum and not being a serious fan, go ahead, it will only make me avoid punk music even more because I will have realised what their fans are really like when at home and away from the music...


That's not the beef we have against outsiders. The beef we have against outsider is that whenever punk guitarists are mentioned, at least 5 people usually come in to post "punk sucks, learn to play your instrument". Which is as ignorant as it is annoying. Hence the disclaimer.

Am I making any sense or do I need to learn some more about Punk before I state something of this caliber?


I'm with you so far. If you want to check out some punk bands though, we have a lovely new sticky.
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Link me, mate. My computer is slowing down like a bloody chu chu train!

I never think Punk guitarists are crap, I don't know enough of them to say that. What I do is that the first serious song I learned on electric guitar was Iggy Pop's (I think it was his) Search and Destroy - it remains to be the most favourite song I have ever learned. It is just so much fun to play, even years later!
On the other hand I do become bored when listening to some Punk tunes and how their guitar work, drums, bass and vocals, all follow the same pattern, but maybe it just needs to grow on me, most music does these days.
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Ron Asheton did not play guitar on Raw Power. James Williamson I think...

****, you're right! I retract my love of Ron
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Link me, mate. My computer is slowing down like a bloody chu chu train!

I never think Punk guitarists are crap, I don't know enough of them to say that. What I do is that the first serious song I learned on electric guitar was Iggy Pop's (I think it was his) Search and Destroy - it remains to be the most favourite song I have ever learned. It is just so much fun to play, even years later!
On the other hand I do become bored when listening to some Punk tunes and how their guitar work, drums, bass and vocals, all follow the same pattern, but maybe it just needs to grow on me, most music does these days.


https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=934843

Some punk is quite boring in terms of simple bass. As a rule though, the earlier stuff is better, although there is of course the Matt Freeman school of thought.
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My favorite punk guitarist is Jeff Ott, especially his work in Fifteen. He's got a much less vintage sounding style as compared to the guitarists Brian mentoned but his technical skill is outstanding.

Heres an example of Mr. Ott at his finest***:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=123142647

***Ignore the ****ty vocals.
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****, you're right! I retract my love of Ron


Have you heard Funhouse? Its my favourite Stooges album, and Ron plays on it. ****ing brilliant album
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Have you heard Funhouse? Its my favourite Stooges album, and Ron plays on it. ****ing brilliant album

I wasn't so keen on it when I first heard it, I'll have to give it another listen


I need to bone up on bands more before I say stuff x]
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I wasn't so keen on it when I first heard it, I'll have to give it another listen


I need to bone up on bands more before I say stuff x]


No worries man Not to say that Raw Power is a bad album though, its damn awesome
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his technical skill is outstanding.




That was just generic bollocks. It was sloppier than a nun's first time.

Sorry, but I honestly thought that it sucked.

Worse than Chris Cheney.
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^Congratulations. I think you're wrong
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Power Chords aren't in fact chords.

Some power chords can be quite interesting. They don't have to be root and fifth. They can be root and minor third, root and minor second (a mindf*ck indeed), or root and diminished fifth.

What is music without character? It certainly isn't the work of yours truly.


I like a few punk guitarists (D. Boon, Quine, East Bay Ray) but, yes a lot do suck.
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You like D. Boon

You're awesome
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^Congratulations. I think you're wrong


And I think that YOU'RE wrong. And that's fine.

We're entitled to our own opinions, unlike people who badmouth the Clash.
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I like a few punk guitarists (D. Boon, Quine, East Bay Ray) but, yes a lot do suck.


Now Quine is a good player.

Very angular.
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I don't get why everybody likes D. Boon so much. He sucks. I hate the Minutemen.
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I don't get why everybody likes D. Boon so much. He sucks. I hate the Minutemen.


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I don't get why everybody likes D. Boon so much. He sucks. I hate the Minutemen.

O_O

I guess it's time to find a new forum hero...
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Now Quine is a good player.

Very angular.

I'm really glad I can agree with you about that. I love Quine. I really wish I could play guitar similarly to him. It's some real great shit.

The guitarists I really dig are Quine, Mick Ronson, Johnny Thunders, Ron Asheton, and a bunch of others I don't feel like thinking of.
Seriously though, Ronson is great. He had some really great style, and in the Ziggy days he looked like this crazy blond glam-rock pirate, haha.

EDIT: Brian Eno wasn't technically a real guitarist, but he knew how to surround himself with a bunch of really diverse players, and he did some great treatments to instruments. Here Come the Warm Jets is a great album.
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