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#1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26271328/

this article is kind of ridiculous. maybe I am just biased because i'm almost 21, but this is such a horrible idea.

some dumb bitch said
"There isn't that much difference in maturity between 21 and 18," she said. "If the age is younger, you're getting exposed to it at a younger age, and you don't freak out when you get to campus."

thats probably the dumbest thing i have ever read. lowering the age to 18 will just cause the same exact problems at an even younger age. 16 and 17 year olds would start getting fake IDs and circumventing the law instead of 18, 19, 20 year olds


i doubt this will go anywhere politically but discuss?
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#2
I could care less. I still say its up to parents to be responsible of their kids.
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#3
Actually lowering the drinking age isn't a horrible idea in my opinion. Make it less of a "forbidden fruit."
#4
I remember my teacher told me that back when she was in school (late 70's) she would show up hammered to class because the legal age was 18.
#5
There's a reason they raised it in the first place. The amount of drunk driving deaths across the nation drastically reduced when they changed it from 19 to 21 in the 80s.
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this article is kind of ridiculous. maybe I am just biased because i'm almost 21, but this is such a horrible idea.

some dumb bitch said
"There isn't that much difference in maturity between 21 and 18," she said. "If the age is younger, you're getting exposed to it at a younger age, and you don't freak out when you get to campus."

thats probably the dumbest thing i have ever read. lowering the age to 18 will just cause the same exact problems at an even younger age. 16 and 17 year olds would start getting fake IDs and circumventing the law instead of 18, 19, 20 year olds


i doubt this will go anywhere politically but discuss?

16 and 17 year olds get them now anyways, I got mine when I was 16. It's not a ridiculous idea and that "dumb bitch" has a point.
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#8
yea and not to mention maybe like 20% of 18 year olds are mature enough to drink. anyway, its not even that much of an extra risk to drink under age. as long as you aren't an idiot there is no reason to lower the age. its like a slippery slope kind of thing, will 16 year olds be able to drink legally eventually? (haha just throwing that out there i know its a bit over the top )
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#9
Kids do and will continue to get drunk at younger ages anyway so I don't think it's really that big of a deal or that it will change much.
#10
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in Mexico we can legally get drunk at 18...


same thing here


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#11
In the UK we can drink at 18. I can't imagine university without the option to have a drink, even if it is just a casual drink with friends or a drink in a club. It doesn't mean I get drunk or drink a lot.
#12
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I remember my teacher told me that back when she was in school (late 70's) she would show up hammered to class because the legal age was 18.

And thats why she's a teacher.

In Australia (and a bunch of other countries) the legal drinking age is 18. Its the same for everything else except gambling in the states inst it? If you're old enough to be legally responsible for everything else, why not whether you drink or not?
#13
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16 and 17 year olds get them now anyways, I got mine when I was 16. It's not a ridiculous idea and that "dumb bitch" has a point.


the difference in maturity between 21 and 18 is huge.
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yea and not to mention maybe like 20% of 18 year olds are mature enough to drink. anyway, its not even that much of an extra risk to drink under age. as long as you aren't an idiot there is no reason to lower the age. its like a slippery slope kind of thing, will 16 year olds be able to drink legally eventually? (haha just throwing that out there i know its a bit over the top )

I think the first half of the bold part is a decent justification for lowering the age.

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the difference in maturity between 21 and 18 is huge.

Ya I'd agree there....but I was referring to the second half of her statement.
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#15
I live in Argentina where the legal age is 18. Never seen a fake ID.
I lived in Israel where the legal age is 18. Never seen a fake ID.

Seriously, the legal age is 18 in most of the world.
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#16
he does have a point about younger people drinking if the age is lowered. i'm only 16 and i get hammered all the time. the drinking age here is 19, i think if it was higher, i wouldn't be.
#17
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this article is kind of ridiculous. maybe I am just biased because i'm almost 21, but this is such a horrible idea.

some dumb bitch said
"There isn't that much difference in maturity between 21 and 18," she said. "If the age is younger, you're getting exposed to it at a younger age, and you don't freak out when you get to campus."

thats probably the dumbest thing i have ever read. lowering the age to 18 will just cause the same exact problems at an even younger age. 16 and 17 year olds would start getting fake IDs and circumventing the law instead of 18, 19, 20 year olds


i doubt this will go anywhere politically but discuss?

they set that law not because people above 21 are more mature, they have it because when your 18 your still getting educated for the most part, and your brain is still growing, and alcohol is terrible on the brain and when your brain is developing its terrible.
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#19
Personally i think it should be 18 only because thats when your considered to be independant. Under that i think it should be parent choice.
#20
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And thats why she's a teacher.

In Australia (and a bunch of other countries) the legal drinking age is 18. Its the same for everything else except gambling in the states inst it? If you're old enough to be legally responsible for everything else, why not whether you drink or not?


yea but legally responsible most often does not mean the person is "responsible" i know plenty of kids between the ages of 18 and 21 who are just stupid when it comes to all things alcohol or drugs.
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#21
I think it's funny that you have to be 21 to drink when you have to be only 18 to do almost everything else, considering that more people drink under the age of 18 than they do other stuff (cigarettes, porn, voting)
#22
We're fine here in Alberta, Canada.

Seriously, drinking age isn't a very big issue, anyone with a brother or loving uncle (the kind that lives in your basement, I don't have one but I know people that do) can get it for you before your of legal age.

If someone really wants to drink, they will find a way.
#23
I can die for my country but I can't have a beer??? Makes all lot of sense.
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#24
I wouldn't drink beer if it wasn't illegal. It would take away the cool factor.
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#26
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And thats why she's a teacher.

In Australia (and a bunch of other countries) the legal drinking age is 18. Its the same for everything else except gambling in the states inst it? If you're old enough to be legally responsible for everything else, why not whether you drink or not?

Because America thinks that by banning drugs and alcohol and putting limits on things that are an easy scapegoat, people will forget about the real problems like how American values and media teach everyone to be a selfish, gluttonous, parasite, influencing kids to drive drunk anyway. Most people don't drink and drive past their mid to late 20's as they realize how retardedly dangerous it is to them and everyone on the road.

If you can be drafted at 18 you should be able to have alcohol its really just simple give and take, but we need a scape goat, all them drunk drivers fuck the world over yanno?
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#27
Ahh my 21st birthday.. now I can legally do the things I've been doing since I was 15.
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I can die for my country but I can't have a beer??? Makes all lot of sense.


lol sooo true!
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#29
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We're fine here in Alberta, Canada.

Seriously, drinking age isn't a very big issue, anyone with a brother or loving uncle (the kind that lives in your basement, I don't have one but I know people that do) can get it for you before your of legal age.

If someone really wants to drink, they will find a way.

The main issue is that it still isn't legal. That means you could get in trouble in a variety of ways for drinking even if you're just 20. If you have a sip of beer you can get a DUI even though you're almost completely sober.
#31
if the forbidden fruit argument wasn't there, i'd say they should raise the drinking age. 21 year olds aren't even mature enough to drink. Have you met many 21 year olds? that was a rhetorical question, but still. the only real difference between a 21 year old and an 18 year old is that an 18 year old brags about drinking because they're getting away with an illegal act and they think they're cool because of it, and a 21 year old brags, albeit a bit more tactfully, about being able to drink legally, because for some reason they think that makes them cooler than someone who does it illegally.
#32
Is anyone else sick of Mothers Against Drunk Driving being fat old skanks on their periods and getting into everyones business?
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#33
I don't drink so I don't care. But I really hate drunk ass people.
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#34
You can buy a handgun at 18
You can get drunk at 21
the government dosent want those to happen at the same time.
#35
^Yeah, and I don't like how they are discrediting those schools based on the beliefs of their presidents. (to Crashed)
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#36
I wish it were. I'm 21 but I can get in trouble for having alcohol in my dorm as not every person who lives on campus is of age. Crap I say, crap!

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yea I am too, I am sick of all those groups of nothing but old soccermoms. We could get rid of them by making drunk driving an automatic 10 year jail sentence for the first offense and then go up by 10 each offense. Then see if that doesn't make some people think twice


I agree, we are too lenient on drunk drivers. I know this jackass that got two DUIs last year, and is still driving around because he has a permit to drive to work and back. Damn moronic legal system.
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#37
it should be 18 so all the idiots who abuse drugs an alcohol are get rid of.
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#38
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Is anyone else sick of Mothers Against Drunk Driving being fat old skanks on their periods and getting into everyones business?


I don't mind them, only because a friend of mines mom was hit by a drunk driver when she was 12.

She isn't a fat old skank on her period though, she's optimistic about everything.
#39
ya canada and already having the drinking age at 18 though they are trying to raise it to 19 which makes no sense.
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they set that law not because people above 21 are more mature, they have it because when your 18 your still getting educated for the most part, and your brain is still growing, and alcohol is terrible on the brain and when your brain is developing its terrible.


gettin shot in the face with an AK is bad for your brain too but that doesnt stop the govt from allowing 18 years old to fight.... its hypocritical for the govt to say we're too young to drink but old enough to fight
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