#1
Buying a new guitar soon, pretty much narrowed it down to either a Epiphone Dot or Standard Strat (maybe a Deluxe Players)

Two main genre's I play are Blues (SRV, Clapton, Mayer etc) and Pop/Punk/Emo(Thrice/Alexisonfire/Paramore etc) mainly Blues though.

Anyway I have a Ibanez RG for the later genre, so now I need a decent Blues guitar. (Blues on an Ibanez just doesnt work )

Searching for 'that tone' not really the Little Wing SRV tone, but the more Jazz type softer clean tones like Lenny, and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG_hBD_Smkg

Im using a Fender Blues Jr.

Anyway being so used to the Ibanez I picked up a strat and immediately had difficulty adjusting. Im used to the 16" fretboard radius (Not a shredder, just find it the most comfortable) and the strat I played has 7.25" and really it was unplayable for me.
The standard strat I played was a bit better, I adjusted after about 40min playing but still wasnt completely comfortable.
Anyway the Epiphone has a flatter fretboard, so im going to try some out saturday, but I was wondering if the Humbuckers in the Epiphone can achieve the blues tones im after. I don't play much rock at all, so im worried that the Epiphone is more aimed at and suited for rock music that blues.

Are there any other Epiphone hollowbody models I should take a look at for those jazz-like clean tones? Or any other types of guitars I should check out that can achieve these tones that are sort of common (There isnt the greatest range in australia)
#3
Maybe the Epiphone semi acoustics, but an Ibanez Artcore or something would be a good guitar aswell, if not, better.. But the Strat should have a good tone for it, even if it is uncomfortable. Maybe you should try a Classic Player ones, which have a 9.5" radius, which might be more comfortable.

Or maybe you should look at the single cut semi acoustics, the things designed for jazz music. Like this:

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=153&CollectionID=1

or

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=152&CollectionID=1

Those might be good aswell, but the latter one only has one pickup. Oh well.
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#4
Epiphone Sheraton, Epi ES 175, Epi Casino, Epi Alleykat.

Also: Gretsch G5122/5120

And: Ibanez Artcore series

One more: Schecter CSH-1

And get you're **** straigt: You can play blues on an Ibanez, John Mayer isn't blues and more of your tone is going to come from your fingers and your amp than your guitar.
#5
out of those two, id definitly go with the dot. i have one and use it for jazz band, the strat is much too twangy imo.
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Epiphone Sheraton, Epi ES 175, Epi Casino, Epi Alleykat.

Also: Gretsch G5122/5120

And: Ibanez Artcore series

One more: Schecter CSH-1

And get you're **** straigt: You can play blues on an Ibanez, John Mayer isn't blues and more of your tone is going to come from your fingers and your amp than your guitar.


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Unplayable as I bend up the G the A goes flat.
Tonewise its not too bad, just the bridge just does not work for blues.
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And get you're **** straigt: You can play blues on an Ibanez, John Mayer isn't blues and more of your tone is going to come from your fingers and your amp than your guitar.


Wow! You're an ignorant dick.

John Mayer certainly plays blues, and he's quite good. Definitely one of my favorites of today.


And to contribute to the thread:
Deluxe Players Strat should do you well. You can play blues on anything, but for sound and style, a strat is perfect. You may want to upgrade the humbuckers but strats are definitely the way to go. I think the DP strat is higher quality than the sheraton or dot. I love semi-hollows, but I think a strat would be better. It all depends on what you want. Maybe watch some of John's videos of his concerts, especially Where The Light Is. I own that and I've watched it over twenty time in two weeks. It's really good and inspirational for a blues player today.
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#8
A strat will definately sing with your Blues Jr. but im afraid the standard might give you too much of the chime like SRV's Texas Flood album.

The deluxe players will probably give you close to what you want. The noiseless pickups dont have a lot of strat chime and are way easier to dial in a jazzy-blues tone.

The Dot is nice, im assuming its the regular Dot and not the studio? The Dot is a very good guitar, doesn't play as smooth as I would like but has a very nice tone, I just find the playability for a Gibson type neck not all that great, but maybe you will like it more, Im the kind of guy that likes really any stratocaster necks and I find Ibanez necks odd in my hands.

Other: Look into the BB King, but again I think it might be too bluessy. The Epiphone Sheraton II, it will give you that old blues, John Lee Hooker tone (probably cause he used one) and they play really nice. The Epiphone Casino is also worth a look, it has P-90 type pickups in it so it wont give a lot of chime but should be pretty jazzy.

You may also want to check into the Ibanez Semi Hollows.

Im going to guess since you like the neck on the Ibanez, the Epiphones will be better for you than strats, I haven't played the Ibanez Hollow Bodies long enough to pass any judgement on them but I have heard good things about them.
#9
imgooley, if John Mayer is so "unbluesish" how come Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton and B.B. King showed a desire to colloborate with him? Maybe because they're not elitist? Granted, maybe his vocal melodies aren't akin to blues, but his guitar playing is definitely, regardless of whether you like him or not.
#10
Quote by kai29
Wow! You're an ignorant dick.

John Mayer certainly plays blues, and he's quite good. Definitely one of my favorites of today.


And to contribute to the thread:
Deluxe Players Strat should do you well. You can play blues on anything, but for sound and style, a strat is perfect. You may want to upgrade the humbuckers but strats are definitely the way to go. I think the DP strat is higher quality than the sheraton or dot. I love semi-hollows, but I think a strat would be better. It all depends on what you want. Maybe watch some of John's videos of his concerts, especially Where The Light Is. I own that and I've watched it over twenty time in two weeks. It's really good and inspirational for a blues player today.

Why thank you

I love being called an ignorant dick when concerning blues, and especially when it concerns Mayer.

I own Try! and Continuum. Try! is a very good blues cover album. It doesn't suit my blues tastes, but it is what it is: a blues cover album.

Does that make John Mayer blues?

Well that begs the question "What is Blues?"

Now, you can venture into the Blues and Jazz forum to see some of the information posted there and get a feel for what I think the answer to that question is, but I doubt that you listen to blues outside of Stevie Ray and John Mayer.

Have a nice day, and enjoy your watered down pop-blues. I'll be listening to John Lee Hooker .


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imgooley, if John Mayer is so "unbluesish" how come Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton and B.B. King showed a desire to colloborate with him? Maybe because they're not elitist? Granted, maybe his vocal melodies aren't akin to blues, but his guitar playing is definitely, regardless of whether you like him or not.


Unfortunately, music is a business. You might as well call Mayer Pop Punk because he made a cover of Beat It with Fall Out Boy. Or call him Hip Hop/R&B for making a few songs with Kanye West and Common.

I'll also point out that Buddy Guy has recorded with several artists who aren't blues, such as Anthony Hamilton.
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Quote by willis4
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Unplayable as I bend up the G the A goes flat.
Tonewise its not too bad, just the bridge just does not work for blues.

Block the sunovabitch. Do you ever use it for pop punk, anyway?


But seriously, try the guitars I mentioned if you can find them at a music store. Are there any brands that come cheaper in OZ land than the typical stuff?
#13
Quote by imgooley
Block the sunovabitch. Do you ever use it for pop punk, anyway?


But seriously, try the guitars I mentioned if you can find them at a music store. Are there any brands that come cheaper in OZ land than the typical stuff?


Nah i dont

Been meaning to block it for a while now, but there always seems a reason not to. Upcoming gig or whatever.

Matons might be a bit cheaper but apart from that everyhting is about twice the price americans pay.

I recall seeing the BB KIng guitar when I went last to the Epiphone dealer, I just didnt know what it was at the time. Sure looks funny
#14
Quote by willis4
Thanks guys I like the look of the Zephyr, not sure about the one pickup though.

What about the Joe Pass Emperor II?
http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=9&CollectionID=1

Anyway it looks like Im going to have to go to a specialized Fender dealer and specialized Gibson/Epiphone dealer on saturday and play a **** load of guitars

That's the fun part!

Both of those are full hollow bodies, btw, so they will have a bit of trouble with feedback if you're not careful.

The Joe Pass sig is an awesome guitar, btw. Epi semi and full hollows are heads and shoulders above their Gibson copies.
#15
Quote by willis4
Buying a new guitar soon, pretty much narrowed it down to either a Epiphone Dot or Standard Strat (maybe a Deluxe Players)

Two main genre's I play are Blues (SRV, Clapton, Mayer etc) and Pop/Punk/Emo(Thrice/Alexisonfire/Paramore etc) mainly Blues though.

Anyway I have a Ibanez RG for the later genre, so now I need a decent Blues guitar. (Blues on an Ibanez just doesnt work )

Searching for 'that tone' not really the Little Wing SRV tone, but the more Jazz type softer clean tones like Lenny, and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG_hBD_Smkg

Im using a Fender Blues Jr.

Anyway being so used to the Ibanez I picked up a strat and immediately had difficulty adjusting. Im used to the 16" fretboard radius (Not a shredder, just find it the most comfortable) and the strat I played has 7.25" and really it was unplayable for me.
The standard strat I played was a bit better, I adjusted after about 40min playing but still wasnt completely comfortable.
Anyway the Epiphone has a flatter fretboard, so im going to try some out saturday, but I was wondering if the Humbuckers in the Epiphone can achieve the blues tones im after. I don't play much rock at all, so im worried that the Epiphone is more aimed at and suited for rock music that blues.

Are there any other Epiphone hollowbody models I should take a look at for those jazz-like clean tones? Or any other types of guitars I should check out that can achieve these tones that are sort of common (There isnt the greatest range in australia)

Dude, the King of Blues (read: BB King) played a 335, which is Gibson's counterpart of the Dot. My Dot plays blues just fine, don't buy into the pickup stereotypes you always hear. Some people would tell you humbuckers would do blues better than single-coils, but it all comes down to which you like better.
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Dude, the King of Blues (read: BB King) played a 335, which is Gibson's counterpart of the Dot. My Dot plays blues just fine, don't buy into the pickup stereotypes you always hear. Some people would tell you humbuckers would do blues better than single-coils, but it all comes down to which you like better.

That's what I like about blues: you can use a huge variety of guitar to get a good sound. SRV and Clapton use Strats, BB King plays a hollow-body, Albert King used a Flying V, Buddy Guy uses a Telecaster. It's all personal preference, just pick one that feels good and sounds good.
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That's what I like about blues: you can use a huge variety of guitar to get a good sound. SRV and Clapton use Strats, BB King plays a hollow-body, Albert King used a Flying V, Buddy Guy uses a Telecaster. It's all personal preference, just pick one that feels good and sounds good.

1. Clapton didn't start using strats until the 70's.

2. Lucille is a Semi hollow with no F holes.

3. Buddy Guy plays primarily Strats. I've seen him with a 335, though.

But your last statement is correct.
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Quote by imgooley
1. Clapton didn't start using strats until the 70's.

2. Lucille is a Semi hollow with no F holes.

3. Buddy Guy plays primarily Strats. I've seen him with a 335, though.

But your last statement is correct.

He still uses Strats though. Did he ever say he ALWAYS played them!
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#20
Quote by imgooley
1. Clapton didn't start using strats until the 70's.

2. Lucille is a Semi hollow with no F holes.

3. Buddy Guy plays primarily Strats. I've seen him with a 335, though.

But your last statement is correct.

Ah, I wasn't sure with Buddy, I thought I saw pictures of him with Telecasters though. Guess not.

And I don't really know the difference of Semi-Hollows and Hollow-Bodies.

But thank you for the corrections.

EDIT: This is the Buddy Guy album I have:


Looks like a Tele body with Strat neck and humbuckers.
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#21
^ Nice looking guitar anyway! The message being obviously though you can play blues on whatever you want. I can play blues on my Ibanez, it's just some anal blues elitists think it's hideously wrong (or impossible) to play blues on any guitar designed in the last 40 years. Imagine the fit they threw when blues musicians started using electric guitars...and just look how well that fits ;D

Anyways, TS, yes the Dot is cool for the blues. I love the tone you get out of it, very rich. Could do with a pickup change at some point though.

Oh, if you can find one, I'm a huge fan of the Epiphone Riviera's.
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Why thank you

I love being called an ignorant dick when concerning blues, and especially when it concerns Mayer.

I own Try! and Continuum. Try! is a very good blues cover album. It doesn't suit my blues tastes, but it is what it is: a blues cover album.

Does that make John Mayer blues?

Well that begs the question "What is Blues?"

Now, you can venture into the Blues and Jazz forum to see some of the information posted there and get a feel for what I think the answer to that question is, but I doubt that you listen to blues outside of Stevie Ray and John Mayer.

Have a nice day, and enjoy your watered down pop-blues. I'll be listening to John Lee Hooker .


Unfortunately, music is a business. You might as well call Mayer Pop Punk because he made a cover of Beat It with Fall Out Boy. Or call him Hip Hop/R&B for making a few songs with Kanye West and Common.

I'll also point out that Buddy Guy has recorded with several artists who aren't blues, such as Anthony Hamilton.

I know what blues and jazz is. You know what they say about assuming? Mayer has like 3 covers on those two albums, and even so, he's just paying tribute. I'd like to see you play any cover as well as he does. He has his own songs that are blues and jazz.

I listen to many blues guitarists, maybe even more than you do. I listen to jazz a lot too but not always for the guitarists.

As for you listening to Hooker, Yeah, that's a lot more original than Vaughan. And I'm glad you love it when you are called an ignorant dick. Maybe you should figure out what it means someday because your post just furthered my point. I thought you might try to be an arrogant smart @ss with a reply to that and you, sir, did.

so thanks for pointing that out to everyone.
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I know what blues and jazz is. You know what they say about assuming? Mayer has like 3 covers on those two albums, and even so, he's just paying tribute. I'd like to see you play any cover as well as he does. He has his own songs that are blues and jazz.

I listen to many blues guitarists, maybe even more than you do. I listen to jazz a lot too but not always for the guitarists.

As for you listening to Hooker, Yeah, that's a lot more original than Vaughan. And I'm glad you love it when you are called an ignorant dick. Maybe you should figure out what it means someday because your post just furthered my point. I thought you might try to be an arrogant smart @ss with a reply to that and you, sir, did.

so thanks for pointing that out to everyone.


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#24
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Ah, I wasn't sure with Buddy, I thought I saw pictures of him with Telecasters though. Guess not.

And I don't really know the difference of Semi-Hollows and Hollow-Bodies.

But thank you for the corrections.

EDIT: This is the Buddy Guy album I have:


Looks like a Tele body with Strat neck and humbuckers.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-72-Telecaster-Deluxe-Electric-Guitar?sku=511141
thats a telecaster deluxe, they all have a large strat-style headstock and 2 humbuckers, that guitar looks stock to me, but maybe tuners or something small like that was changed, who knows...

and I play blues on a tele, so it can be used for blues. There is a Muddy Waters Sig. telecaster after all... and it is nice, candy apple red, fender amp knobs instead of regular tele knobs, ash body, cheap to...

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