Poll: Who is the bigger failure?
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Sir William Wallace
17 33%
Robert the Bruce
35 67%
Voters: 52.
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#1
Right then.

Myself and _Tim_ have been having an argument over who is the biggest failure out of the two.

Basically, I argue that Robert the Bruce is purely because he missed the chance, however _Tim_ argues that it was (from his own bloodline may I point out) Sir William Wallace as he failed at his task.

Now the thing is, atleast Sir William Tried.

What do you recon?
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#2
What the hell are we talking about.
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#4
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What the hell are we talking about.


Who the bigger failure was. Sir William Wallace or Robert the Bruce.
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#7
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Refer either to wikipedia OR refer to the film Braveheart for an interpritation of their stories.
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#8
wallace,

at least rob the big B ****ed over newcastle for a while...

i think, i cant remember if it was the other way around...

but either way, my family being scottish, they both failed, we didneee get no independance!

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#9
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wallace,

at least rob the big B ****ed over newcastle for a while...

i think, i cant remember if it was the other way around...

but either way, my family being scottish, they both failed, we didneee get no independance!

and you never will
#10
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#11
Okay so after a quick read I think Robert the Bruce was the biggest failure. It seems his main goal was self centered, and Wallace was more for Scotland instead of just himself. SO, his fight was harder, and he had more to accomplish whereas Bruce simply did what was in his best interests - i.e. switching sides on multiple occasions.
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#12
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#13
Well Robert the Bruce submitted to the English so, considering their aims, the answer seems obvious.
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#14
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Okay so after a quick read I think Robert the Bruce was the biggest failure. It seems his main goal was self centered, and Wallace was more for Scotland instead of just himself. SO, his fight was harder, and he had more to accomplish whereas Bruce simply did what was in his best interests - i.e. switching sides on multiple occasions.


There! That's exactly what I've been trying to get across.

_Tim_ you can go wipe yourself!
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#15
Basically, I argue that Robert the Bruce is purely because he missed the chance, however _Tim_ argues that it was (from his own bloodline may I point out) Sir William Wallace as he failed at his task.

Robert The Bruce was the ****ing man. He would scale castles with grappling hooks and win battles with guerrilla warfare, using brains rather than brawn.

He also defeated King Edward II, winning independence. He then conquered Ireland.

Okay so after a quick read I think Robert the Bruce was the biggest failure. It seems his main goal was self centered, and Wallace was more for Scotland instead of just himself. SO, his fight was harder, and he had more to accomplish whereas Bruce simply did what was in his best interests - i.e. switching sides on multiple occasions.

But he was not a failure, whereas Wallace was.
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#16
Well considering that Wallace was executed by Longshanks and his boys and the Bruce died King of Scotland, I'd say that Robbie da Bruce came out a bit better off than ol' Wally.

Both were badass but I'd say that the Bruce was more so. Bannockburn was more difficult than Stirling Bridge too. There's also the duel against Henry de Bohun where Robert broke his axe in killing his opponent.
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#17
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meh they moved south and became successfull lol

i was born in england so as far as i'm concerned...



scotland can suck my balls lol

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#18
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meh they moved south and became successfull lol

i was born in england so as far as i'm concerned...



scotland can suck my balls lol

Scotland would bite them, though.
#19
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Well considering that Wallace was executed by Longshanks and his boys and the Bruce died King of Scotland, I'd say that Robbie da Bruce came out a bit better off than ol' Wally.

Both were badass but I'd say that the Bruce was more so. Bannockburn was more difficult than Stirling Bridge too. There's also the duel against Henry de Bohun where Robert broke his axe in killing his opponent.



Robert the Bruce seemed pretty opportunistic to me, when things weren't going his way...

but meh, this really isn't a period of history I know a great deal about.
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#20
and you never will

It's highly possible, and about time.
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#21
Robert the Bruce fails. William Wallace was a legend, I think that, and I'm English!!
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#22
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#24
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Robert the Bruce fails. William Wallace was a legend, I think that, and I'm English!!


No! Wallace failed. He was pwned totally at Falkirk, captured and executed.

Robert the Bruce was able to secure Scottish independence from Perfidious Albion. Bruce Succeeded and Wallace failed.

It doesn't really matter how. They were all just a bunch of warlords squabbling over power and land anyway.

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Last edited by Trefellin at Aug 21, 2008,
#25
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But he was not a failure, whereas Wallace was.


Wallace set the foundation for many of Robert's successes. Mainly against England.
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#26
TBH, William Wallace only had one main victory - the battle of Stirling. I have no idea how Robert the Bruce did, but Will's only a one-hit-wonder.
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#27
Wallace set the foundation for many of Robert's successes. Mainly against England.

That is very true. But combined with a number of factors such as Longshanks' death, Robert managed to succeed, where Wallace failed.
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#28
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TBH, William Wallace only had one main victory - the battle of Stirling. I have no idea how Robert the Bruce did, but Will's only a one-hit-wonder.


Robert the Bruce defeated the English in at least a handful of battles, took many castles, ****ed up the other Scots who claimed the throne, took said throne, freed northern Ireland from English rule and was killed by some disease. Then they cut out his heart and took it with them on a Crusade for some reason.

Of course more people are going to vote against the Bruce because of the movie Braveheart which is very entertaining but hugely inaccurate. I mean, they barely got anything right.
Last edited by Trefellin at Aug 21, 2008,
#29
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Scotland would bite them, though.



nah,

they'd be more interested in how they coudl sell them for either booze or heroin.


oh and Rob died of leporsy, they decided after modern guys looked at the wierd growths and **** that were over his skull

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#30
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nah,

they'd be more interested in how they coudl sell them for either booze or heroin.


oh and Rob died of leporsy, they decided after modern guys looked at the wierd growths and **** that were over his skull

And to buy Mars bar batter...
#31
oh no,

that stuff is wicked,

i can understand why they are the most over weight nation in europe, trsut me, dont knck it till you try it.....

i'm joining your ian hislop group, private eye is the dogs

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#32
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Robert the Bruce defeated the English in at least a handful of battles, took many castles, ****ed up the other Scots who claimed the throne, took said throne, freed northern Ireland from English rule and was killed by some disease. Then they cut out his heart and took it with them on a Crusade for some reason.

Of course more people are going to vote against the Bruce because of the movie Braveheart which is very entertaining but hugely inaccurate. I mean, they barely got anything right.

For one thing, Robert the bruce and William Wallace were centuries apart.
For two, no english princess in their right mind would shag a scotsman because he wears a skirt in a macho way
3:... Come on, anyone who judges because of a FILM is just retarded
(and of course, Mel Gibson is about as convincing as a Scottish hero as Chris Moyles is a convincing fat-fighter)
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#33
For one thing, Robert the bruce and William Wallace were centuries apart.

No, they were from roughly the same time, Bruce after Wallace though.

You forgot the bridgeless Battle Of Stirling Bridge.
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#34
^No I didn't - in my first post, sire
And fair enough, but they weren't exactly drawing up battle-plans along-side each other, a la the film
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#35
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oh no,

that stuff is wicked,

i can understand why they are the most over weight nation in europe, trsut me, dont knck it till you try it.....

i'm joining your ian hislop group, private eye is the dogs

I have tried it-several times, in fact.

And wahey
I need to get the new Private Eye ¬_¬
#36
Robert the Bruce turned on William Wallace at the end of Braveheart like a little piece of ****.
Robert the Bruce = Pussy
William Wallace = Hero/Pimp
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#38
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I have tried it-several times, in fact.

And wahey
I need to get the new Private Eye ¬_¬


good man


me too, my local newsagents doesnt agree with it so they dont stock it lol

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#40
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Braveheart is just men running around showing their moobs.
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