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metal started higher pitched and in standard tuning with bands like judas priest, iron maiden, and diamond head. rarely do these bands down tune, or sing low notes. excessive use of falsetto. im thinking when things started to get more extreme, bands took thins high pitched approach and black metal and melodeath were created. but what band/bands made metal get more lower pitched? what inspired drop c and vocals like necrophagist and the like? how did it go from halford and dickinsons falsetto to george fishers gutturals?
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#3
The answer to this is simple: Sabbath.
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#4
maybe i dont know because i dont listen to sabbath(there i said it) lol what aspect of them?
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#5
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#6
It just makes it that much heavier. When they tune down that low those strings are usually pretty heavy gauged. Plus, the style of singing has changed completely. No one goes to those high Dio notes anymore. Dudes are growling these days.
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#7
Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath) lost some fingers in an industrial accident. He made prosthetic ones out of melted plastic. To compensate for the pain the fake fingers caused him, he tuned his guitar down to C#

Edit- quick fact check it is C# (for those of you who are counting thats a 3 half steps down)
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metal started higher pitched and in standard tuning with bands like judas priest, iron maiden, and diamond head. rarely do these bands down tune, or sing low notes. excessive use of falsetto. im thinking when things started to get more extreme, bands took thins high pitched approach and black metal and melodeath were created. but what band/bands made metal get more lower pitched? what inspired drop c and vocals like necrophagist and the like? how did it go from halford and dickinsons falsetto to george fishers gutturals?



It's kind of apparent where the change in the music came from. It's all in search for that dark sound. People think by tuning their guitars to drop C and growling is what makes music heavy, but they are terribly mistaken.
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It's kind of apparent where the change in the music came from. It's all in search for that dark sound. People think by tuning their guitars to drop C and growling is what makes music heavy, but they are terribly mistaken.

exactly, the guy with the E-Standard using Opeth Avatar knows the deal
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exactly, the guy with the E-Standard using Opeth Avatar knows the deal



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It's kind of apparent where the change in the music came from. It's all in search for that dark sound. People think by tuning their guitars to drop C and growling is what makes music heavy, but they are terribly mistaken.



Wait wait wait.
So are you saying that dropped tunings and growling doesnt make music heavy?
Well I can see what your saying if your saying just by doing that your music wont be heavier.
But the bands that do drop down really low today are 5000 times heavier then anything before.
They have been learning the science of heavy.
#14
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Riffomatic, I'm gonna assume you meant that 'downtuning/growling doesn't automatically make a band heavy' rather than writing off all bands that downtune/growl which is what it first came across as
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#16
It allowed them to achieve the sound they wanted. Plus, its more accessible. Many more people can growl. very few can sing high
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Wait wait wait.
So are you saying that dropped tunings and growling doesnt make music heavy?
Well I can see what your saying if your saying just by doing that your music wont be heavier.
But the bands that do drop down really low today are 5000 times heavier then anything before.
They have been learning the science of heavy.

It doesn't. There are some bands who Tune to Standard that are way heavier than some of the bands in Drop A or whatever....There's a Classical type song called One Winged Angel. When it has a trap set behind it I can headbang to it......


but yea, all Sabbath
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#18
Maybe I'm somewhat wrong here, but I think it came firstly from Black Sabbath who inspired Venom. They tuned down to C# and Chronos singed with a more raspy, guttural voice than usual. From there it leads on since a lot of the first death an black metal bands claim to have benn influenced by Venom.
#20
Metal started with Black Sabbath. Metal got lower pitched with Black Sabbath
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Riffomatic, I'm gonna assume you meant that 'downtuning/growling doesn't automatically make a band heavy' rather than writing off all bands that downtune/growl which is what it first came across as



You're correct. I apologize for not being a little more clear on that.
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#27
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Carcass, cause they play in drop Z

I don't get this joke (I've heard it before too), Carcass doesn't tune THAT low and use a non-dropped tuning .
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I don't get this joke (I've heard it before too), Carcass doesn't tune THAT low and use a non-dropped tuning .


I think last time dminishedthingy was around the forum it was a reasonably popular in-joke that has since fallen out of favour.
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#29
yeah, someone started a thread because a magazine had an article saying something about Carcass playing in drop z and he wanted to know if that was an actual tuning
it seems that since i was banned people have forgotten...
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Plus, the style of singing has changed completely. No one goes to those high Dio notes anymore. Dudes are growling these days.

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Tony Iommo's chopped off fingers.


Sorry, but Iommo?
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it seems that since i was banned people have forgotten...


Well that's what you get for getting banned you silly bar-steward
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#33
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Sorry, but Iommo?


I kind missed that, "o" is close to "i" on my keyboard so.... yeah
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musicians were looking for something different and lower tuning on guitars is the start.
and i'm going to piss off sheep by saying sabbath was not the reason the lower tuning
started it was death metal and black metal and the desire to sound as vicious and doomy
as possible. gutteral vocals also came into play "cookie monster" later...

the link above shows an example of a rock based format tuned to low b...

alice in chains c sharp, pantera went a lower tuning each cd from cowboys to whatever...
bands like mortician are f#... or g flat. go figure. drop d, drop a etc... and on it goes.

i think that's another reason 7 string guitars, 5 string basses ect also became popular.
sabbath is not really "heavy" in sense of todays definition of heavy.

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mr. b. dozer

to purchase this recording;

musicians were looking for something different and lower tuning on guitars is the start.
and i'm going to piss off sheep by saying sabbath was not the reason the lower tuning
started it was death metal and black metal and the desire to sound as vicious and doomy
as possible. gutteral vocals also came into play "cookie monster" later...

the link above shows an example of a rock based format tuned to low b...

alice in chains c sharp, pantera went a lower tuning each cd from cowboys to whatever...
bands like mortician are f#... or g flat. go figure. drop d, drop a etc... and on it goes.

i think that's another reason 7 string guitars, 5 string basses ect also became popular.
sabbath is not really "heavy" in sense of todays definition of heavy.

editor


'desire to sound as vicious and doomy' - you mean, the exact same desire as Black Sabbath? And perhaps this desire that metal in general has comes from being raised on the likes of Black Sabbath?
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#37
Most classic black metal is in standard tuning, and tends to rely heavily on the treble end of the spectrum. Death metal bands tune down mostly because they borrow heavily from the classical/Romantic tradition of using chromatic movement at a relatively low pitch to suggest darkness, evil, death and the like.
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heaviness has always been a cornerstone of metal, right from the song 'black sabbath.' iommi was one of the first to tune low (i don't know about the first 2 albums, but they at least tuned to c# on master of reality, which i'm pretty sure was released in 1972...long before alice in chains, mortician, and the like.

when judas priest started to expand more on the higher pitched, and for lack of a better word, rocking side of metal, bands started to follow, often blending in punk, creating NWOBHM, which took the focus away from lower pitched heavy riffs.

once that was gone heavy became the focus again, and the rest is history.


(not saying that no NWOBHM is heavy*)
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