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#1
Last night i was thinking about this. What actually happens when you die and like after you're dead. What happens to you.
I tried thinking taking the whole bio-mechanical organisms thing and being a medicine student, i can see how death can happen when your heart stops pumping and all the biological and chemical processes in your body just shut down and you're nothing more than an old broken down car with no fuel and broken parts. Just sitting there absolutely dead.

I tried working on this thought for a good while but it just didn't make sense. Like you're here alive and you've got feelings, memories, thoughts, ideas and all. Like the body just shutting down, okay i could imagine that. Even how all our thoughts and emotions are caused due to our brain activity and how if the brain would die, so would all the thoughts and emotions die with it. But it was still very hard to get my head around. What happens to you after your body has shut down. What's the difference between living and dead?!
I mean like even if it goes all dark and you can't hear or feel anything but is that how you're gonna remain till eternity? Or do you just pop up as a new person somewhere else with a fresh new body to start over with. New memories and all. Cuz its just almost impossible for me to visualise how you just end and perish after you die with nothing left.

I'm trying to stay out of the whole religious aspect of this and trying to look at it in a more scientific way.
But if I can look at it with a slightly religious perspective of bodies having soul. Then from a scientific aspect. Maybe the soul is made up of some kind of a "dark matter". We can't measure it or see it but know its there and can feel its presence. Then maybe after we die, the "soul" gets disengaged from the body and moves into a different dimension from the living. As the String Theory does state there are about 10 dimensions to this universe. Or maybe the soul does always remain in a different dimension from the 3 dimensions of this world that we can perceive. So thats how we can never see this "soul" or measure it. And after the bodies dies, the "soul" still remains as the body's energy. As energy can't be destroyed.


And yes, i'm drifting off completely into the abstract there.
So just wondering, what do ye brainy UGers think the answer to this question might be. What happens after you die?
#2
Yeah, my grandfather died recently and I completely freaked out about this question.

I hope we get to be ghosts. I'd really like to wander aimlessly without any responsibilities.
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#4
I'd really like to believe in reincarnation, rather than oblivion.
I remember in this movie 'A Waking Life', they talk about that as you die, you have a dream, and because the mind can warp time in itself, it becomes an eternal dream.
#8
I think our "souls" are like the software of a computer. They're not material but they still exist.
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You rot.


^yup.
TS, Your thinking yourself away from logic and trying to cling to ideas that have been created out of fear. No one wants to die because living is all we got, so if you imagine some sort of soul then you can be tempted with the idea of (some sort of) eternal life. Unfortunately it seems to me, especially if we stay within the realm of science and rely only on the solid data that we have, that when we die all our bodily functions cease and we become fertilizer for the earth. Also it helps to deal with this thought if you can realize that all our thoughts, memories, and emotions are products of our minds, which will cease to function. So you won't be walking toward any light or having any other cognitive or sensory experiences.
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#13
Quote by OCDeity
You rot.

No. I know your body rots. Everyone knows that.
But think about it. You're dying right now. You can feel your heart struggling to cope up in your body as it tries harder and harder to pump your blood. Your blood pressure is dropping and your brain is going more and more drowsy as its not getting enough blood supply. Your heart has gone weak from all the pumping and has gone completely out of rhythm. It can't pump your blood efficiently anymore and your blood pressure starts to fall dramaticly. Your body can't get enough oxygen anymore and the first part of your body to feel it is your heart. Due to the lack of oxygen, the heart muscle dies and you get a Myocardial Infarction or simply called the fatal heart attack. Your heart dies and stops pumping blood. Your brain which has already shut down most of your conscious functions is on its last leg. Its slowly one organ after another shuts down in your body. Your brain finally shuts down and its all over. You feel the pain of the last breath leave your body and it all turns black. Whats next?

Your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, your memory, what happens to that? If its like going to sleep, what kind of sleep? Cuz even when your sleeping your ears stay alert and your brain is still highly active. More active than when you're awake, thats how you dream. But what when your brain itself dies? Like what happens to you? And by you, i don't mean your body but mostly your thoughts, feelings n all...

Like i can't just imagine it just disappearing into nothingness. And no, i'm not scared of death either. Infact last night i got so crazed into this thought that i was thinking of killing myself just to see what happens after i died. But i wasn't as crazy to do that, i said i'll just wait till it happens and see!
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#14
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I've heard that when you die you soil yourself.
You void your bowels, same as a woman giving birth.
There's something beautiful in that common thread.. I reckon.
#15
This question scares and saddens me.
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#16
Hah, I already know and actually I wont be sad when i die. I just gotta' wait for the people I love around me to die.
#17
We are just a smarter form of animal.

All animals have fear, but we are able to avoid scary thoughts, shove them past us. This is what most of the population does with death. Everything you know about life and living doesnt happen anymore. Most people dont want it to be the end, but it is. It really is.

This is why you should make the most of your life. Im not saying go on anarchist means of living life, just live for the moment.

EDIT: Forgot what I was talking about. All animals die to give nutrients to the earth and other living creatures, we are supposed to do the same, but we prevent that because no one wants to see their best friend eaten by coyotes.
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the feelings, memories, everything... it was all just a thing in your mind... like air in the car tire... and once the car is broken.... the air in the tire is no use to it... you cant even notice if it all goes dark and silent... you're just not there...

there is a thing i've been asking myself lately.... i would be greatfull if anyone comments that...

is there a reality?.... i mean... what if is it all just up there in my mind... you, UGers... the trees in front of my house... could it be that it's all just an imagination... some sort of a dream....
sometimes i go like... what proof do i have that there is a reality?.... some say that physics or biology or something is the proof.... however... can't that be an imagination too?...

i better finish.. this thing's driving me crazy lol
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#19
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You void your bowels, same as a woman giving birth.
There's something beautiful in that common thread.. I reckon.


I think my last dying wish would be to have a breakfast of all-bran cereal, bacon and eggs, a lunch consisting of cheap chineese food, and a dinner of 5 hamburgers and fajitas. I would get the last LoL at the people cleaning my poo.

Wait... I'd just be dead. With ****t all over me. Nevermind.
#20
That's the whole point of religion, people "invented" Jesus and heaven, because they were afraid of death. Beeing an atheist is hard, because you know, that when the moment comes, you'll just vanish. All those theories about dimensions is the same bull**** as religion, just made by intellectual people. I think the purpose of life is to prepare yourself for death, try everything you can while you are alive. Look at all those old people who aren't afraid of death... I kinda envy them their attitude...
#21
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#22
You become part of the Force.


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#23
Quote by af_the_fragile
No. I know your body rots. Everyone knows that.
But think about it. You're dying right now. You can feel your heart struggling to cope up in your body as it tries harder and harder to pump your blood. Your blood pressure is dropping and your brain is going more and more drowsy as its not getting enough blood supply. Your heart has gone weak from all the pumping and has gone completely out of rhythm. It can't pump your blood efficiently anymore and your blood pressure starts to fall dramaticly. Your body can't get enough oxygen anymore and the first part of your body to feel it is your heart. Due to the lack of oxygen, the heart muscle dies and you get a Myocardial Infarction or simply called the fatal heart attack. Your heart dies and stops pumping blood. Your brain which has already shut down most of your conscious functions is on its last leg. Its slowly one organ after another shuts down in your body. Your brain finally shuts down and its all over. You feel the pain of the last breath leave your body and it all turns black. Whats next?

Your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, your memory, what happens to that? If its like going to sleep, what kind of sleep? Cuz even when your sleeping your ears stay alert and your brain is still highly active. More active than when you're awake, thats how you dream. But what when your brain itself dies? Like what happens to you? And by you, i don't mean your body but mostly your thoughts, feelings n all...

Like i can't just imagine it just disappearing into nothingness. And no, i'm not scared of death either. Infact last night i got so crazed into this thought that i was thinking of killing myself just to see what happens after i died. But i wasn't as crazy to do that, i said i'll just wait till it happens and see!


TS, just read MrOtters post. Without the support of your brain or rest of your body, your previous thoughts, feelings, memories... ect are just gone. Its as if you're in a dreamless sleep forever I guess, if that helps, or before you were born. Nothing. You don't just sit there stare into blackness; in order to gaze, you'd have to be aware of yourself living, or at least what you're staring into. And you aren't.
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Quote by Smalas
That's the whole point of Atheism, people "invented" Atheism, because they were afraid of death, and religion being correct. Beeing an atheist is har, because you know, that when the moment comes, you could potentially burn forever. All those truths about religion are just made by God-inspired and intellectual people. I think the purpose of life is to prepare yourself for death. Look at all those Christians who aren't afraid of death... I kinda envy them their attitude...


There we go.

Fixed.

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#25
Quote by MrOtter
^yup.
TS, Your thinking yourself away from logic and trying to cling to ideas that have been created out of fear. No one wants to die because living is all we got, so if you imagine some sort of soul then you can be tempted with the idea of (some sort of) eternal life. Unfortunately it seems to me, especially if we stay within the realm of science and rely only on the solid data that we have, that when we die all our bodily functions cease and we become fertilizer for the earth. Also it helps to deal with this thought if you can realize that all our thoughts, memories, and emotions are products of our minds, which will cease to function. So you won't be walking toward any light or having any other cognitive or sensory experiences.

And this is exactly what i've been trying to figure out what this feels like and i can't get my head around it.

Like i know all out thoughts and consciousness are created from waves in our brain traveling between synapses. Its all very mechanical. There's the Na/K pump in our cells that causes electrical impulses running through the cells which results in all the nervous activity in our body. Its just like a very very complex computer. The brain is the processor, the nerves are all the wiring, the blood is the fuel to run it.

But all that aside can you once imagine what it'ld be like after you die? Like its pretty easy to say you'll end up as nothing. But can you actually get your mind to imagine/visualise it? Like for once. If you close your eyes, clear your brain of all the thoughts and pretend you're dead, you still know you exist cuz your conscious tells you that. But what is it like after you die? When you have no conscious left? What would that feel like??

Or is there a lot more to death than just biological functions ceasing?
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Quote by Smalas
That's the whole point of religion, people "invented" Jesus and heaven, because they were afraid of death. Beeing an atheist is hard, because you know, that when the moment comes, you'll just vanish. All those theories about dimensions is the same bull**** as religion, just made by intellectual people. I think the purpose of life is to prepare yourself for death, try everything you can while you are alive. Look at all those old people who aren't afraid of death... I kinda envy them their attitude...


People did not invent Jesus. You make atheists and freethinkers look bad with your complete ignorance of religious history.
#27
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People did not invent Jesus.


Nope. But they did make him out to be something that he wasn't.
Until I'm chilling out with -insert deity here-, drinking coffee and talking about politics, I'm not believing ****.
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#28
Quote by af_the_fragile
Your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, your memory, what happens to that? If its like going to sleep, what kind of sleep? Cuz even when your sleeping your ears stay alert and your brain is still highly active. More active than when you're awake, thats how you dream. But what when your brain itself dies? Like what happens to you? And by you, i don't mean your body but mostly your thoughts, feelings n all...
Not really. Except for some occasional pulses of activity, your brain is generally much less active during sleep.

What happens to you when you die? Well considering the fact that the brain is the source of all your "thoughts, feelings n all" when your brain dies they just end.

Pretty simple really.
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#29
What makes someone believe in life is the more troubling question. If we are non-existent before birth and after death, why do we pick this stitch in time to hold all of our meaning? Since the start of conscious organisms, we have understood this process, yet at the same time, we don't. The human view of things has been brought up to believe we are the best, most functional organism in creation. It is this ethnocentric view that encourages people to believe in something "more" than themselves. Kind of like how the best in something (sports, for instance) strive to stay the best. If we were a lesser being, or inferior to another organism on this planet, our concept of Heaven/Hell/Death would be the complete opposite.

Kind of like how the Ancient Egyptians thought the God of death was a half-human, half-dog creature. Humans will not/do not want to except there position in the world as supreme... if we readily except that, what is the purpose of Heaven/Hell... we are already in a world of dominance and direction.

As for physical death, it's probably just like a re-run of 'Three Company'.
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#31
I believe that when you die, you go to Heaven or Hell.

I always try imagine dying and not existing anymore, and it's hard. I also think it's hard to try to imagine living forever. Idk, it's too much to think about.
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TS, just read MrOtters post. Without the support of your brain or rest of your body, your previous thoughts, feelings, memories... ect are just gone. Its as if you're in a dreamless sleep forever I guess, if that helps, or before you were born. Nothing. You don't just sit there stare into blackness; in order to gaze, you'd have to be aware of yourself living, or at least what you're staring into. And you aren't.

Yeah. I get all that.
But then again. I dunno, the body although being a med student, i study and it appears all that mechanical. How the interactions of different synapses in your brain create your thoughts n feelings n all, it just doesn't feel that mechanical. Like if it was that mechanical then there would be absolutely no difference between us and machines.
If our body was a rest of just some very very advanced organic engineering, then we could even create robots to work exactly as we do. They'ld have thoughts, feelings and emotions too.
All you'ld need to do is somehow manage to map the human DNA onto a software or something, give it all it needs to build into an organism and then let it lose to create itself. The DNA will form a template for all the proteins (or maybe in a computer's case something else) to form from the building blocks of 20 amino acids and nature will then cause them to stack themselves in the right order to form the human body.
If we were that mechanical.

And like then if we're just a result of a mechanical process, then whats the difference between living and dead? It more like an on/off switch.

I dunno. I'm just walking through the abstract now.
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#33
There is no spoon.

But seriously, there never have been any answers and I don't believe there ever will be. I don't believe in anything, and that includes nothing.

We may just end, we may not. I think anyone who thinks that they know anything for sure is deluded.
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Nope. But they did make him out to be something that he wasn't.
Until I'm chilling out with -insert deity here-, drinking coffee and talking about politics, I'm not believing ****.


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#35
Quote by af_the_fragile
Yeah. I get all that.
But then again. I dunno, the body although being a med student, i study and it appears all that mechanical. How the interactions of different synapses in your brain create your thoughts n feelings n all, it just doesn't feel that mechanical. Like if it was that mechanical then there would be absolutely no difference between us and machines.
If our body was a rest of just some very very advanced organic engineering, then we could even create robots to work exactly as we do. They'ld have thoughts, feelings and emotions too.
All you'ld need to do is somehow manage to map the human DNA onto a software or something, give it all it needs to build into an organism and then let it lose to create itself. The DNA will form a template for all the proteins (or maybe in a computer's case something else) to form from the building blocks of 20 amino acids and nature will then cause them to stack themselves in the right order to form the human body.
If we were that mechanical.

And like then if we're just a result of a mechanical process, then whats the difference between living and dead? It more like an on/off switch.

I dunno. I'm just walking through the abstract now.


You're a med student? Have you taken any Psych.?

Emotions are just an interpreted synopsis of chemical release. And how do you know machines can't feel emotion? And for that matter, how do you know I can feel emotion? How can you prove you were alive two minutes ago? How can you prove the existence of two minutes, even in theory? How can you prove what alive is? How can you even comprehend 'nothing'? Humans have a dug a ditch they can't see out of... so what do we do? Like any intelligent organism--dig it deeper.

There are no answers will not bring on more questions... unless that answer is a yes or a no.
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#36
I've thought about the same thing as the TS before. In my opinion, death is uncomprehensible to the living but also unexplanable by the dead (since they're deceased and no longer able to communicate with the living world.) Our bodies stop functioning and our brain ceases to be active. Hence all of what could be described as or 'soul' is gone. I believe the 'soul' is gone forever since 'immortal souls' would only exist in people who live forever (being immortal and all that...) and so this is impossible since humans are mortal beings with finite lifespans.

Also, although I find the paranormal very interesting but I don't believe in ghosts. Or at least I don't think of them as restless souls trapped in purgatory. So that cannot be taken as a sign of an 'afterlife' until concrete proof has been secured (which I highly doubt will ever occur.)

Therefore we humans will never know what happens after we die due to the nature of life and death. The living can only understand life and living. Dead people, in the end, are nothing but ash and bone to us. No 'soul', complete nothingness. Nothingness is incomprehensible (to me at least). The only way people 'live on' in this world is through other people's memories.

P.S. I know it is a sad view to take, but in my opinion it is the only logical one which doesn't include religion, and as I believe all mainstream religions to be wrong I cannot personally take any other view.
#37
Quote by Badreligionrock
This question scares and saddens me.


Same here. I ask myself it everyday.

I think the reason people believe in an afterlife is because the idea of having just this life and once you die you 100% cease to exist.... REALLY scary. I think it would scare all of us.

Personally I think that when I die, it'll just be like the time before I was born. Just eternal nothingness.
I don't believe in any religion, but I find myself sometimes hoping that there is something greater to this life. I ask why we even exist, and why chemistry and evolution etc even permit us to exist. Is there a reason? Or are we on a ship that has no captain? Your guess is as good as mine.

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#38
Quote by af_the_fragile
No. I know your body rots. Everyone knows that.
But think about it. You're dying right now. You can feel your heart struggling to cope up in your body as it tries harder and harder to pump your blood. Your blood pressure is dropping and your brain is going more and more drowsy as its not getting enough blood supply. Your heart has gone weak from all the pumping and has gone completely out of rhythm. It can't pump your blood efficiently anymore and your blood pressure starts to fall dramaticly. Your body can't get enough oxygen anymore and the first part of your body to feel it is your heart. Due to the lack of oxygen, the heart muscle dies and you get a Myocardial Infarction or simply called the fatal heart attack. Your heart dies and stops pumping blood. Your brain which has already shut down most of your conscious functions is on its last leg. Its slowly one organ after another shuts down in your body. Your brain finally shuts down and its all over. You feel the pain of the last breath leave your body and it all turns black. Whats next?

Your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, your memory, what happens to that? If its like going to sleep, what kind of sleep? Cuz even when your sleeping your ears stay alert and your brain is still highly active. More active than when you're awake, thats how you dream. But what when your brain itself dies? Like what happens to you? And by you, i don't mean your body but mostly your thoughts, feelings n all...

Like i can't just imagine it just disappearing into nothingness. And no, i'm not scared of death either. Infact last night i got so crazed into this thought that i was thinking of killing myself just to see what happens after i died. But i wasn't as crazy to do that, i said i'll just wait till it happens and see!


Darkness. Then you rot.
#39
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I've thought about the same thing as the TS before. In my opinion, death is uncomprehensible to the living but also unexplanable by the dead (since they're deceased and no longer able to communicate with the living world.) Our bodies stop functioning and our brain ceases to be active. Hence all of what could be described as or 'soul' is gone. I believe the 'soul' is gone forever since 'immortal souls' would only exist in people who live forever (being immortal and all that...) and so this is impossible since humans are mortal beings with finite lifespans.

Also, although I find the paranormal very interesting but I don't believe in ghosts. Or at least I don't think of them as restless souls trapped in purgatory. So that cannot be taken as a sign of an 'afterlife' until concrete proof has been secured (which I highly doubt will ever occur.)

Therefore we humans will never know what happens after we die due to the nature of life and death. The living can only understand life and living. Dead people, in the end, are nothing but ash and bone to us. No 'soul', complete nothingness. Nothingness is incomprehensible (to me at least). The only way people 'live on' in this world is through other people's memories.

P.S. I know it is a sad view to take, but in my opinion it is the only logical one which doesn't include religion, and as I believe all mainstream religions to be wrong I cannot personally take any other view.

Maybe I could kill myself while recording my experiences and after i die, if there's a soul, i'll try my best to come back to prove the afterlife to the real world. Or if i never comeback, you can believe there is no afterlife after death.

I wonder how many people actually killed themselves saying that. Kill yourself just to find out what death is. Sounds like the most insanely tempting idea on the planet. But again, no thanks.
#40
There is no darkness. Remember before you were born? Thats what death is like. Your body rots, you return to the earth. Provided you aren't frozen, or cremated.
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