#1
Gibson Les Paul Custom
or
Gibson Les Paul Standard?

considering sound, playability, comfort and such.
What would you choose and why?
#2
Custom: Mellow, darker sounding, more heavy, Ebony boards 498/490 set. Custom shop, more expensive.

Standard/Traditional: Brighter sounding, a bit more aggressive, lighter, locking output jack, PCB board, locking tuners, plek job Burstbuckers/'57classic set respectively. Standard assembly line = cheaper.
#5
Quote by wvguitarguy
as long as it says Les Paul ya cant go wrong

I'm a complete LP fanboy (at times) but this still makes me
#6
i prefer ephiphone customs...
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Quote by Reaper of Light
i prefer ephiphone customs...



Good for you man! Go you!

You go buy up all of the Epiphones. I'll stick with the Gibbies.
#8
^ +1 and a lawl as well.

Quote by Reaper of Light
i prefer ephiphone customs...

Really? If you had a choice between a Gibson LP Custom and an Epiphone you'd go with the Epi?
#9
Save yourself a thousand bucks or so and get an Epiphone Elitist or an Edwards LP.
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#10
Quote by TastyMooglePie
Save yourself a thousand bucks or so and get an Epiphone Elitist or an Edwards LP.


Edwards, yes.


Elitist, not so much.


Not saying that it's a bad guitar, it just doesn't play like a Custom. The damn thing has a Slim Taper neck FFS.
#11
I have both, and the Custom is the better guitar in just about every aspect, as it should be. The sound is all personal preference, but everywhere else the Custom is supreme.

Alotta people will say Gibsons are overpriced. I have played several PRS's(no SE's) and a few Carvins. Not one of the Carvins came close, and the only PRS's that have, were just about the same price as a Std.

I'm not planning on ever selling either of my Gibsons, but it's nice to know that, if I do, I can get at least 90% of what I paid for them, and that's in the next 10-15 years. If they reach vintage, who knows? I dont think the same can be said for most other guitars.

Both my Gibsons are among the best guitars I have ever played, whether it be a friends guitar or one of the ****load that I have played in stores.
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#12
Quote by MAYNARD
I have both, and the Custom is the better guitar in just about every aspect, as it should be. The sound is all personal preference, but everywhere else the Custom is supreme.

Alotta people will say Gibsons are overpriced. I have played several PRS's(no SE's) and a few Carvins. Not one of the Carvins came close, and the only PRS's that have, were just about the same price as a Std.

I'm not planning on ever selling either of my Gibsons, but it's nice to know that, if I do, I can get at least 90% of what I paid for them, and that's in the next 10-15 years. If they reach vintage, who knows?

Both my Gibsons are among the best guitars I have ever played, whether it be a friends guitar or one of the ****load that I have played in stores.



The Custom isn't better. It's different. They don't even have the same specs!


That's like apples and oranges.


No new Gibsons will ever be considered vintage. They're too shoddy.
#13
Neither. Get a limited edition one like I did..





It's like a hybrid between a Standard and Custom. It's heavy, has an ebony fretboard, and headstock binding. But the binding is only single-ply, and it has Burstbucker pickups. All the harware (including the tuners and even jack input plate) are nickel. It's awesome, and way more unique than any Standard or Custom.
#14
^ Now that is a nice guitar. I've always been a fan of blue LPs.

Both are overpriced so you don't get better value for money out of either. Standards look nicer IMO but I prefer the darker sound of a custom. I'd want nicer pickups.
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#15
Quote by H4T3BR33D3R
The Custom isn't better. It's different. They don't even have the same specs!


That's like apples and oranges.


No new Gibsons will ever be considered vintage. They're too shoddy.


I simply meant the attention to detail is 10x better on the Custom. There is only one visible factory flaw on the entire guitar.


New Gibsons won't be considered vintage? The premiums won't be anything like they are on the old stuff, there is always gonna be a market for older guitars. As wood ages and the finish is thinned, a guitar is gonna sound better. Whether it's the one that got away or the axe their favorite player uses, there is always gonna be a demand for mojonized axes.

From what I have gathered from alotta LP enthusiasts is that Gibson is making guitars in the Custom Shop that are as good as anything they have ever done.
#16
Quote by MAYNARD
I simply meant the attention to detail is 10x better on the Custom. There is only one visible factory flaw on the entire guitar.


New Gibsons won't be considered vintage? The premiums won't be anything like they are on the old stuff, there is always gonna be a market for older guitars. As wood ages and the finish is thinned, a guitar is gonna sound better. Whether it's the one that got away or the axe their favorite player uses, there is always gonna be a demand for mojonized axes.

From what I have gathered from alotta LP enthusiasts is that Gibson is making guitars in the Custom Shop that are as good as anything they have ever done.


The newer ones aren't going to command much is all. They'll command as much as maybe late 70's Gibson guitars onwards.


The only newer Gibsons I can see being classics are the '97 Gibsons.

Newer techniques and better machines can't make up for the Mojo and the personality of the older Gibson guitars.
#17
i say go get a standard just because they will soon be discontinued

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#18
Quote by tamargoguitar
i say go get a standard just because they will soon be discontinued

TG


The Standard as you know it is already discontinued.
#19
Quote by H4T3BR33D3R
The Standard as you know it is already discontinued.


I thought they would stop selling in 2009

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#20
Quote by tamargoguitar
I thought they would stop selling in 2009

TG


They always start in the fall. It's like cars.


a 2009 model will come out fall of 2008.
#21
Quote by pEdAl2
^ Now that is a nice guitar. I've always been a fan of blue LPs.

Both are overpriced so you don't get better value for money out of either. Standards look nicer IMO but I prefer the darker sound of a custom. I'd want nicer pickups.

I'm sorry to say this, but, Gibson have always been that way. Trust me, I've just had this conversation with my Dad. In 1978, a Fender cost £250 (which is about £800-1000 today), while a Gibson Les Paul cost £400 (which is about £1500-1800). And people have always been saying that the quality has been going down aswell, so don't put that against me. I know you didn't say it, but I don't know how people can complain that the quality has been going down, considering they've only played one, or neither.

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#22
Here's the thing:

The Gibson custom shop is still mass producing guitars. So, why do vintage Les Pauls go for so much? Because back then, they made sure that every guitar that came outta there was perfect. That's why there are only about 600 '59s that are accounted for today! These days, they don't give a ****, because thanks to the ultra low prices of GC and MF, they'll sell 'em anyway.

Now, you're probably saying; "well, the custom shop guitars are better quality than the USA ones". Well, you're only partially right. You see, some guitars that come out of there are top notch, while some that come out of there have terrible quality. It's a crapshoot.

Well, how would I know this? I own a custom shop guitar. I ordered an ES-339 when it came out. I knew I would have to do this because Gibson has given GC some crappy batches of guitars in the past. Well, I ordered it, it cost me 2 grand ( shipping to Canada).

Here's the condition the guitar came in:

-Horrible orange peel on the neck
-Angled Neck Pickup
-No setup whatsoever
-Pickguard came unglued
-Blotches in the finish that took me hours to buffer out
-The nut was badly cut, g and b could not stay in tune.
-Dry fretboard

Is that what you'd think a custom shop guitar would be like? Neither did I.

After about 100 bucks and many hours re-invested into the guitar, it was finally like it should of been when leaving the factory.

I've played a USA Sg 61 RI and an Sg Goddess and did not find ONE quality issue.

The only guitars the custom shop seems to pay attention to are it's VOS lines, and those go from 2300 to 5000$.
#23
Quote by Mike!
Here's the thing:

The Gibson custom shop is still mass producing guitars. So, why do vintage Les Pauls go for so much? Because back then, they made sure that every guitar that came outta there was perfect. That's why there are only about 600 '59s that are accounted for today!

Now, you're probably saying; "well, the custom shop guitars are better quality than the USA ones". Well, you're only partially right. You see, some guitars that come out of there are top notch, while some that come out of there have terrible quality. It's a crapshoot.

Well, how would I know this? I own a custom shop guitar. I ordered an ES-339 when it came out. I knew I would have to do this because Gibson has given GC some crappy batches of guitars in the past. Well, I ordered it, it cost me 2 grand ( shipping to Canada).

Here's the condition the guitar came in:

-Horrible orange peel on the neck
-Angled Neck Pickup
-No setup whatsoever
-Pickguard came unglued
-Blotches in the finish that took me hours to buffer out
-The nut was badly cut, g and b could not stay in tune.
-Dry fretboard

Is that what you'd think a custom shop guitar would be like? Neither did I.

After about 100 bucks and many hours re-invested into the guitar, it was finally like it should of been when leaving the factory.

I've played a USA Sg 61 RI and an Sg Goddess and did not find ONE quality issue.

The only guitars the custom shop seems to pay attention to are it's VOS lines, and those go from 2300 to 5000$.


Honestly, the only reason why the older ones are going for so much is partly in the name, and the fact that everybody wants a late fifties burst.


They wouldn't be as pricey if nobody wanted them.
#24
Quote by Mike!
Here's the thing:

The Gibson custom shop is still mass producing guitars. So, why do vintage Les Pauls go for so much? Because back then, they made sure that every guitar that came outta there was perfect. That's why there are only about 600 '59s that are accounted for today! These days, they don't give a ****, because thanks to the ultra low prices of GC and MF, they'll sell 'em anyway.

Now, you're probably saying; "well, the custom shop guitars are better quality than the USA ones". Well, you're only partially right. You see, some guitars that come out of there are top notch, while some that come out of there have terrible quality. It's a crapshoot.

Well, how would I know this? I own a custom shop guitar. I ordered an ES-339 when it came out. I knew I would have to do this because Gibson has given GC some crappy batches of guitars in the past. Well, I ordered it, it cost me 2 grand ( shipping to Canada).

Here's the condition the guitar came in:

-Horrible orange peel on the neck
-Angled Neck Pickup
-No setup whatsoever
-Pickguard came unglued
-Blotches in the finish that took me hours to buffer out
-The nut was badly cut, g and b could not stay in tune.
-Dry fretboard

Is that what you'd think a custom shop guitar would be like? Neither did I.

After about 100 bucks and many hours re-invested into the guitar, it was finally like it should of been when leaving the factory.

I've played a USA Sg 61 RI and an Sg Goddess and did not find ONE quality issue.

The only guitars the custom shop seems to pay attention to are it's VOS lines, and those go from 2300 to 5000$.

Well, you can't put it against just Gibson. Walking through a few guitar shops I've seen in my travels, I've seen PRSs that didn't look factory perfect, same with Fenders, Deans, and most guitar companys that have a big custom shop. It's just one of those things.
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#25
Quote by T!AN
^ +1 and a lawl as well.


Really? If you had a choice between a Gibson LP Custom and an Epiphone you'd go with the Epi?


ya they have a lot more variety and better for the price
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#26
^He's saying price aside. I dont know why you would prefer an epiphone. They are great but...why?

The Custom has a different neck than most standards. It has a 59' rounded, which is fatter, and obviously, more rounded. The 60's slim is much different IMO. You cant really compare the two. I hate standards, I can only think of a handful of them i've liked, yet every custom i've ever seen, including my own, are beautiful. Just go try them.
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#27
Quote by Reaper of Light
ya they have a lot more variety and better for the price


A lot more variety?


They have 2 custom models.

A custom, and a black beauty.


Hardly much variety there.
#28
Which one has a more thinner neck? the custom or the standard?
because I find the Les Paul studio's neck hard to play.. cause of the size.

and what's all the difference between all those 50's neck 60's neck models?
#29
Quote by zeriom
Which one has a more thinner neck? the custom or the standard?


A standard with the '60's slim taper.


You know, you could get all this info with google right?


Are you actually, seriously, going to buy one of these guitars?


If so, go to a guitar store and try them out.
#30
Quote by zeriom
Which one has a more thinner neck? the custom or the standard?
because I find the Les Paul studio's neck hard to play.. cause of the size.

and what's all the difference between all those 50's neck 60's neck models?


Read my post.
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#31
i think epiphone standard lp's are actually better than gibsons
but it comes down to personal taste
although epiphone is cheaper and i think the pickups have a better tone
#33
Quote by Martin Scott
Huh? They're discontinuing the Standard? Not that I give a sh*t, but that seems crazy to me. Isn't it their most popular guitar?

You're talking 'bout the Gibsons right? Sorry if I'm being slow


They discontinued the Standard and have brought out the 2008 Standard.

Doesn't anyone check the websites these days?
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#35
Quote by Lil Macker
You're talking 'bout the Gibsons right? Sorry if I'm being slow

They discontinued the Standard and have brought out the 2008 Standard.


Ah, right. So they're just doing a different Standard. Is that the new sh*t one that's had the body completely chambered and stuff? Lawl... won't be buying it!

Quote by Lil Macker
Doesn't anyone check the websites these days?


Not really. I try and tear myself away from umbrella conglomerate propaganda outlets as much as possible. I think they chamber the new ones not for any tone are comfort gain, but to save on shipping costs. I have nothing to back this theory up other than circumstantial evidence, but the chambered Les Pauls are Les Pauls in name-only. The whole point of the original LP design was for the guitar to be a big ol' heavy, solid, sustainful chunk of mahogany. Not some weak hollow piece of crap. I'm glad I have heavy ones.
#36
2 days ago i got a used gibson 03 les paul standard. its amazing, but lookswise, id love to have a custom.
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#37
Quote by Martin Scott
Ah, right. So they're just doing a different Standard. Is that the new sh*t one that's had the body completely chambered and stuff? Lawl... won't be buying it!


Not really. I try and tear myself away from umbrella conglomerate propaganda outlets as much as possible. I think they chamber the new ones not for any tone are comfort gain, but to save on shipping costs. I have nothing to back this theory up other than circumstantial evidence, but the chambered Les Pauls are Les Pauls in name-only. The whole point of the original LP design was for the guitar to be a big ol' heavy, solid, sustainful chunk of mahogany. Not some weak hollow piece of crap. I'm glad I have heavy ones.


yea thats why they made the SG, as a light-weight alternative to the Les paul. I'm used to the Pauls so the SG seems almost too light to be a gibson
#38
Quote by Martin Scott
Ah, right. So they're just doing a different Standard. Is that the new sh*t one that's had the body completely chambered and stuff? Lawl... won't be buying it!

The LP Standard line is basically breaking off into two directions. There's the 2008 standard which comes with locking tuners, strap locks, weight chambering, etc and then there's the LP Traditional which follows the specs of the standards of teh 80's and 90's. The big difference is the Traditional has weight relief (swiss cheese) not chambering.