Tru Punx of the Punk and Ska forum, Mr President...lurking metal heads. Where do you consider the cut of point for punk rock, where does a band suddenly become un-punk?

Television probably knew more chords between them then the entire LA scene in the early days but they we're considered punk(well post punk, but they we're allowed to live with the punx and they did build the main stage at the CBGB's.) and the Ramones couldn't write a good political song between them if they we're locked in the same room with Adolf Hitler and Fredrick Nietze but the same rules applied, they we're still considered punk back in the day.

On the other hand many metal or alternative rock bands (e.g. Rage against the machine and Megadeth) write political songs and yet they're not considered to be punk (although MegaDave did cover the sex pistols and Rage Against the machine did used to play to squatting anarchists apparently...) Where as Grunge bands (read: Green River, mudhoney) had the whole three chord simplicity thing going.

A slight rant that may have been but the question still stands, where's the cut of point for punk rock? Is it technical knowledge? Is it lyrical subject? What is it for you?
should anybody care?
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You just have no idea what makes punk. It's more the attitude than the structure. That's why those bands were excepted into the punk culture.
When a band plays punk music, they are a punk band.

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