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What makes progressive different from the other genres, and which bands pertain to this genre?
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never even heard of it
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It's a long piece of music that rarely rehashes parts, i.e. riffs and the like. Early Metallica, Rush, and Coheed and Cambria are good places to start if you're just looking into the genre. In my opinion, it's structure resembles that of a classical piec of music, always moving and changing tempos quite often.
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Early Metallica? I dont agree with that. Kill em All? Ride the Lightning? Master of Puppets? I dont see that as progressive as Rush and Coheed and Cambria. Check out Symphony X and Dream Theater.
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Yeah what "Butthead" Said pretty much. It's not a genre, just how to explain the music. Lots of chord progressions and stuff.
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.. Progressive music isn't necessarily long. It's just a style of songwriting that leans towards new ideas, unconventional song structures and generally large improvisation sections.

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Progressive basically means different. If a band does wierd things and explores different ways of making music they are progressive.

Rush is a well known progressive band. Odd time sigs also are progressive.

Some say Pink Floyd is progressive but i don't think so, they're just more musical with their music, imo.

Wikipedia has a page on progressive music and a list of progressive bands.

Progressive is cool when i get tired of the same old repetitive thing most bands do. It's just different and more complex.

21st century schizoid man is a very progressive song, (the April Wine version is better, imo)

hope this helps
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Quote by Ultimate_Gio92
Early Metallica? I dont agree with that. Kill em All? Ride the Lightning? Master of Puppets? I dont see that as progressive as Rush and Coheed and Cambria. Check out Symphony X and Dream Theater.

I'll agree that it's not near as progressive as the two aforementioned bands, but they are very accessable and easy to discuss with most people.
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Progressive music doesn't have a normal song structure. It doesn't flow like a lot of songs, for example the verse-chorus-verse type of song. (there is a lot more to it than just what I said)

A couple bands I like that are progressive are Frank Zappa and Necrophagist.
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Yes,Emerson Lake and Palmer,Pink Floyd,Wishbone Ash,Tool,A Perfect Circle, Porcupine Tree,Rush,Some Frank Zappa

those are all progressive.
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A Perfect Circle is fairly progressive, Tool is prog too but even more so than APC. Opeth and Between the Buried and Me for some more progressive metal. BTBAM is just ridiculously insane in all of their songs
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Eeer, it's a very vague term, but odd time-signatures, philosophical lyrics, odd song structuring, exotic scales/ chords, and concept albums are all traits of progressive rock/ metal/ whatever.

It kinda gets confused with avant-garde sometimes, but they're VERY different.
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Yes! This "Progressive" way of thinking sounds like my type of fancy, and since I do listen to Symphony X, I now have a more clearer understanding of this genre, especially the experimentation of different things... Maybe I should be a "Progressive" type player...
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Progressive Rock = Real, honest music in it's truest art form. Playing what is felt, uncomprimised, without intentionally being commercial or selling out to Corporate elephants for the sake of selling records.
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i'm a prog rock kind of guy.. and if you want prime examples of this listen to some of Rush's "story" songs and albums such as 2112 and hemispheres.. songs like "the necromancer" and "Cygnus x-1" are also good songs that show how A single song can be broken down and redone in different ways to tell a story and have the music set the mood for it.
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Quote by JBOO7OHMSS

Some say Pink Floyd is progressive but i don't think so


Finally, someone else who gets it. It's too bluesy..... they are/were/will always be psychedelic, not progressive rock.

Anyway..... they way i've always defined progressive rock for people new to it is "anything but the blues." It is basically avoiding the tired blues conventions that are so prevalent in rock.
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Progressive Rock = Real, honest music in it's truest art form. Playing what is felt, uncomprimised, without intentionally being commercial or selling out to Corporate elephants for the sake of selling records.


+10000000

Dream Theater and Symphony X is progessive music in its most brutal yet inetlligent form. I would say early Metallica does have some progessive element in it but Black album and on, no.

rush, yes, BBTBAM, Protest the Hero(they are always forgotten , DT, Sym X, DEATH, some testament, some Megadeth, Opeth, Procupine tree, Coheed umm cant think of anything else.
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Fates Warning and Queensryche for early prog metal (almost can't separate them at times).

"Progressive", to me, is music that takes on a lot of twists and turns over the course of an album – choruses might be abound, but they're not incredibly repetitive like those found in European power metal; tempo can be slow one minute, fast the next, and back & forth; vox might change with a different movement, such as sinister to downright angry; songs can have different 'pieces' or sections which seem to interweave either seamlessly (A Change Of Seasons by DT) or rather clunkily (The Ivory Gate Of Dreams by Fates Warning); drums should be quite complex and have lots of fills; guitar needs to have dynamics shifting from light to harsh, etc.

I won't start on the whole "prog musicians are superior in technical skill to any other genre" crap. There are standard shredders out there with heaps of talent in their fingers, but they just don't happen to be prog. And so on.
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Music that stretches the boundaries of what is deemed 'normal' by the masses.
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Prog is VERY broad as it is.

That's the fucking point.

Porcupine Tree and Orphaned Land?

Don't sound very much alike yet both are progressive.

Opeth and Yes?

Don't sound very much alike but both are intensely progressive. As with Dream Theater and King Crimson...Deaf and The Master's Apprentices, etc etc.
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Sure, I wasn't saying no to that at all. But then, you have bands like Genesis and Opeth who are both at the extreme opposites of the scale in terms of, say, heaviness – but they share common characteristics found within prog; some of which I mentioned above (i.e. complex drumming and wildly shifting song structures). There's certain elements of musicianship which bands labelled as 'prog' always seems to have.

The thing that I found a bit strange about your "normal" quote was that, with such broad logic as you talked about, anything could be called prog if it "stretches the boundaries of what is deemed 'normal' by the masses" – so that says to me someone making weird noises on a synth, or Primus, Buckethead's weird stuff, or even some of The Smiths' stuff could also count as prog. Hmm...


(Not trying to sound challenging or prickly. I prised apart that quote merely for discussion. )
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But...synths are about as generic as you can get.

Take a glance at the entirety of the 80's power pop scene and if you say a synth is a mysterious instrument you are slightly...challenged.

Primus, however, I could easily class as progressive rock/metal. Very strange stuff they do. And, strange noises on instruments is for avante-garde.

Avante-garde is more about the use of strange, otherwordly instruments (or simply symphonic elements, like a timpani or a Kiko).
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Slaytanic knows what he's talking about.

Prog music is what it says in the title - it's music that progresses. It doesn't need to be long and meaty, as long as it explores new ideas and elaborates on those ideas.

Like an essay.
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Ah well. Maybe the whole genre is just... open to interpretation? I guess what elements people look for in a prog band, or prog as a genre, is as "broad" as prog itself.
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Ah well. Maybe the whole genre is just... open to interpretation? I guess what elements people look for in a prog band, or prog as a genre, is as "broad" as prog itself.


Ah, so you agree with me ?
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Prog is very broad. What 1 guy said. Prog is music in it's truest art form without intentionally playing stuff too sell out.

What if this guitar player learned all from commercial guitarplayers and subconciously plays his inspirations. Very thin line there since it's always opinion based.

Too me prog is very simple and it's in the word itself:

Progress; Try out new techniques new sounds new composition materials. Don't just write songs. Explore em.

It's basically a (open) mindset rather then a style or genre; That's for sure.

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metallica and iron maiden definetely have progressive elements in their music.

Iron Maiden a lot actually
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Yes. It's a mindset and how much u posses, or use of it is relative. And this thread will just start off as an inteligence show off, with the most baddass mofo's on the boards alive (no offence ).

Everyone can use progressive elements. Only 1 more then others.

Like iron maiden has 10% prog element 90% rock/metal (just random)

where Rush would have like 80% prog 20% rock.

Really prog is a big term and (too) hard too define.

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Yes. It's a mindset and how much u posses, or use of it is relative. And this thread will just start off as an inteligence show off, with the most baddass mofo's on the boards alive (no offence ).

Everyone can use progressive elements. Only 1 more then others.

Like iron maiden has 10% prog element 90% rock/metal (just random)

where Rush would have like 80% prog 20% rock.

Really prog is a big term and (too) hard too define.


Iron Maiden has a bit more prog on their last albums and ofcourse SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON!
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That's why i had (Just random) behind it

I'm not a statistics master. Just used some numbers as a relative for a rock based artist (Iron Maiden) and a Prog based artist (Rush) Which both also share ideas from each other's respective genres.

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Avante-garde is more about the use of strange, otherwordly instruments (or simply symphonic elements, like a timpani or a Kiko).


I disagree with that, you can have a standard three/four piece band (vocals, guitar, bass, drums) creating very avant-garde music. Avant-garde is more like re-inventing the wheel whereas prog music is about adapting it and seeing where it can go.
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I disagree with that, you can have a standard three/four piece band (vocals, guitar, bass, drums) creating very avant-garde music. Avant-garde is more like re-inventing the wheel whereas prog music is about adapting it and seeing where it can go.

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Quote by Andrewbiles
I disagree with that, you can have a standard three/four piece band (vocals, guitar, bass, drums) creating very avant-garde music. Avant-garde is more like re-inventing the wheel whereas prog music is about adapting it and seeing where it can go.


[pretention]I disagree with all of you. If you were to give avant-garde a fixed definition it would no longer be avant-garde.[/pretention]

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yes Avant Garde is not a genre but a mindset. You can't define it.

And I already mentioned i see prog as taking what already exists and explore it; where avant garde is totaly play music different then how it is supposed.

example prog: (progrock) take a rock riff and do jazz solo over it in 7/4 time.

example avant garde: play a drumbeat on a garbage can and make the melody with a beer glas and record ur vocals in reverse LOL

These are random examples not definitions. If you wanna find ur answer go listen prog and then u will feel natural what prog is, cause u will develop that mindset of how the proggers think.

Just like beer; u have too learn too drink it, and when u have, u will meet pleaseant surprises.

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I disagree with that, you can have a standard three/four piece band (vocals, guitar, bass, drums) creating very avant-garde music. Avant-garde is more like re-inventing the wheel whereas prog music is about adapting it and seeing where it can go.


Alright, I can easily agree with that.

I'm not much of an avante-garde man as it is, so I'm not 100% in the know.
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