#1
hi i recently bought an epiphone les paul, and would like to put some emg in it (active of course) so which ones would i need out of the many types that are out there lol?

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I wouldn't think any routing would be needed FOR THE PICKUPS... but if you want active EMGs (which I assume you do)... Then you may need a new cavity for the electronics/battery stuff.

EDIT: Ah, I re-read your post, and you do specify active... lovely!
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#6
lolz one of my friends advised me not to go down the passive route as to put it bluntly they suck lol.

i may be able to fit it into the cavity where the controls are already jus pad it out with foam (iv seen that done before in guitars with active pickups)

but does anyone have any wiring diagrams for the pickups??

EDIT =
iv narrowed it down to the EMG 60 and 81 i think cheers =]

EDIT =
google solved the wiring diagram trouble lol, but if anyone has any id still be happy for them =]
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#7
Uh, you really, really should not get active pickups just because someone told you you should. They are a very specialised sound, and in some cases (depending on amp and playing style), they will do either literally nothing for you, or they'll just sound worse than even cheap Chinese stock passive pickups!

Use active EMGs when:
1) you are using a moderately high-gain amp, you're already cranking it out with full settings, and still you don't feel you are getting enough natural overdrive.
2) you specifically want the somewhat compressed tone that active pickups give.

If you are not maxing out your amp already though for heavy overdrive (e.g., perhaps you are using the amp's pre-gain control, or maybe you get your distortion from a pedal), then active pickups will do nothing for you except they will give a less dynamic tone when played clean and they will minimise your volume options. Active pickups were invented to be able to drive an amp extra hard with minimal noise - for anything else, they are entirely pointless.

And of course for point #2, just make sure you do actually like the tone. There are now many passive pickups which are able to drive an amp just as hard as active pickups can, which have more tonal range and react to dynamic playing better.



Active pickups are like baritone-scale guitars, on-board effects, fishman powerbridge pickups, etc - they are speciality items that you should only install if you know you definitely want and need what they give, without any doubt. For 99.9999% of people though, a higher-output passive pickup will suit them far better.
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#8
There's a lot to choose from man.
Are you a rhythm or lead player? A lot of distortion and hardly any cleans, or a blues player?

For rhythm, I'd personally go with a 60 in the bridge, as it gives a very crunchy rhythm tone. For leads I'd go for an 81 in the bridge. 85's might be better suited if you plan on playing with some clean, although the cleans on the 81's are manageable with the 18v mod. 60's give nice crisp cleans also.
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lolz one of my friends advised me not to go down the passive route as to put it bluntly they suck lol.

i may be able to fit it into the cavity where the controls are already jus pad it out with foam (iv seen that done before in guitars with active pickups)

but does anyone have any wiring diagrams for the pickups??

EDIT =
iv narrowed it down to the EMG 60 and 81 i think cheers =]

EDIT =
google solved the wiring diagram trouble lol, but if anyone has any id still be happy for them =]

Your friend is, quite bluntly, retarded.

What amp are you using, what's wrong with your sound and why do you think pickups will solve the problem?
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#12
As far as bridge pickups go, the 81 is definitely on top (in my opinion).

With the neck, you can go with the 85 or the 60. The former will be w little bit more raw and vintage, whereas the 60 will be a bit more versatile and warm/smooth for cleans.

Some people even like putting an 85 in the bridge (with a 60 in the neck), but I don't know personally how that sounds. You can also put the 81 in the neck for some good cutting leads.
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you should've got a epiphone les paul propechy EX with EMG's alredy in
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Your friend is, quite bluntly, retarded.

What amp are you using, what's wrong with your sound and why do you think pickups will solve the problem?



Im honestly surprised you haven't been made a mod for this section yet lol.

Untill we know what sound you want, and what your current amp is then there isn't a lot of advice we can give you TS.
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#15
lolz one of my friends advised me not to go down the passive route as to put it bluntly they suck lol.

Your friend knows nothing........
there are plenty of good passives out there that are very high output.
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#16
im not getting them just cause my friend said so, i'v been wanting emg's for a while now, i was just under impression from what iv been told and have seen that actives are the way to go, if anyone knows any other alternative passive feel free to tell me?

also i have 2 amps at the mo an ashdown 40dsp which i'm selling, and a laney lc15r in which i'v been looking at other laney's and peaveys.
i tend to use heavy distortion, and am more of a rhythmic player, i play a bit of lead now and again.

and i wasnt huge fan of the epiphone prophecy's lolz
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kk lol well you got any suggesstions of higher-output passive pickups please??
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any particular type within the brand or just any dimarzio??
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just do it, Le Paul + Emgs= pure tone heaven
the owner of my local guitar store is a classic rock player and he uses EMGs, they are very versatile its just some people hate on them for no reason, The EMG 60 in the neck is very good for cleans, just roll down the volume knob and its beautiful, whereas the 81 is perfect for face ripping distortion, its the setup i use in my guitars, because it lets me switch from clean to distortion instantly just by using the pickup selector.
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I'm gonna say a duncan distortion in the bridge with a Jazz or 59 in the neck, or a Dimarzio Super distortion or X2n or Breed in the bridge and a PAF pro in the neck
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Seymour Duncan SH-4 JB in the bridge and a Jazz or a '59 in the neck.
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#22
I have the Zakk Wylde Epiphone LP with passive EMG's in it... great metal tone... cleans aren't bad either. Just because someone says active pickups are heaps good doesn't mean that they're for you... go to some guitar stores, play some... make an opinion based on what sounds and feels best to you.
#23
lol mr bungle illl consider that.

kk ill have look on prices for dimarzios, and duncans

slickerthnsleek: awesome =], yeh i spose but just by going with what iv heard actives seem to be way forward, but like you said ill go to local guitar shop and try out some actives and passives

cheers for all help guys and girls (if girls exist on UG lol)
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lolz one of my friends advised me not to go down the passive route as to put it bluntly they suck lol.

i may be able to fit it into the cavity where the controls are already jus pad it out with foam (iv seen that done before in guitars with active pickups)

but does anyone have any wiring diagrams for the pickups??

EDIT =
iv narrowed it down to the EMG 60 and 81 i think cheers =]

EDIT =
google solved the wiring diagram trouble lol, but if anyone has any id still be happy for them =]


Well to put it bluntly... Your friend is dumb and probably wouldn't know good tone if it severely beat him with a baseball bat.


Actives are more ideal for certain genres but are in no way better than their passive counterparts.

For actives though, I think you should check out the Seymour Duncan Livewire pickups.

They sound much more organic than the EMG active pickups and have more output to boot.


If you must stick with EMG pickups though, I recommend throwing in the 85 in the bridge. It's really beefy and sounds pretty menacing.
#25
Unless you know what your doing with the EMGzorz, then dont get them.
If your looking for high output, or
look into some Dimarzio Super Distortions. Or Some Seymour duncan Invaders.
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Unless you know what your doing with the EMGzorz, then dont get them.
If your looking for high output, or
look into some Dimarzio Super Distortions. Or Some Seymour duncan Invaders.


Super Distortions tend to get muddy with higher gain settings.

The Invaders are rubbish as well. One of the most lifeless pickups I've ever dealt with.
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im not getting them just cause my friend said so, i'v been wanting emg's for a while now, i was just under impression from what iv been told and have seen that actives are the way to go, if anyone knows any other alternative passive feel free to tell me?

also i have 2 amps at the mo an ashdown 40dsp which i'm selling, and a laney lc15r in which i'v been looking at other laney's and peaveys.
i tend to use heavy distortion, and am more of a rhythmic player, i play a bit of lead now and again.

and i wasnt huge fan of the epiphone prophecy's lolz

In that case EMGs could work for you, there's plenty of passives that could do a good job for you too though...what's best depends on the kind of tonal characteristics you want.
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If you are not maxing out your amp already though for heavy overdrive (e.g., perhaps you are using the amp's pre-gain control, or maybe you get your distortion from a pedal), then active pickups will do nothing for you except they will give a less dynamic tone when played clean and they will minimise your volume options. Active pickups were invented to be able to drive an amp extra hard with minimal noise - for anything else, they are entirely pointless.

Well now I don't know about that. My Strat's 81 gets a really bright sound that seems very much like the original single coil bridge pickup it had on the clean setting, and my two single coil EMG S pickups on it have excellent cleans (and awful distortion )
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#30
you could of bought a zakk wylde custom with emg's or the prophecy ex or gx mi not sure which but one of them comes with emg's in them
#31
yeh cheers everyone for a varied response lol, ill check out seymours, emg;s, and dizarios then lol.

to person above, not fan of zakk wylde custom, and no fan of the prophecy guitars sorry =]
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#32
Over the years I have spent a ton of money on pickups. (And I've been playing a long ass time.)
At the end of the day, I kept the following pickups around, (and not traded them for booze, drugs and/or more freaken gear that I didn't need.)

79 Gibson Paul with EMG 89's. (with push / pull coil taps)
85 Strat with EMG SA set with EXG and SPC.
73 Stock Gibson buckers that came in my vintage LP Custom.
05 Stock single coils that came in my G&L Tele.

These pickups won out over the test of time, in changing musical tastes and upgrading gear.

EMG's work fine for both clean and distorted tones. The don't sound as open as passive pickups, but they don't loose their tone when you roll off the volume to clean up a tube amp either. They also seem to work extremely well when going through long FX chains without loosing their attack.

I have even heard of jazz guys using 89's in arch top hollow body guitars.

They do have a compressed feel to them, but a pure tone that seems to get along very well with tube amps.

Try to get a chance to play a guitar with the pickups your considering before spending your cash, as pickups are really very expensive.

I've been playing EMG's since they were new to the market. Don't believe that the bullshit that they are only good for distortion. They are a very good pickup that can drive high gain without sacrificing tone or being prone to feedback.

I was also friends with a session player that also had a gigging cover band. He played EMG's when he could afford anything he wanted. He felt they were the most versitile pickup available for any style of music.

good luck on your selection, and make your decision with your own ears.
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Over the years I have spent a ton of money on pickups. (And I've been playing a long ass time.)
At the end of the day, I kept the following pickups around, (and not traded them for booze, drugs and/or more freaken gear that I didn't need.)

79 Gibson Paul with EMG 89's. (with push / pull coil taps)
85 Strat with EMG SA set with EXG and SPC.
73 Stock Gibson buckers that came in my vintage LP Custom.
05 Stock single coils that came in my G&L Tele.

These pickups won out over the test of time, in changing musical tastes and upgrading gear.

EMG's work fine for both clean and distorted tones. The don't sound as open as passive pickups, but they don't loose their tone when you roll off the volume to clean up a tube amp either. They also seem to work extremely well when going through long FX chains without loosing their attack.

I have even heard of jazz guys using 89's in arch top hollow body guitars.

They do have a compressed feel to them, but a pure tone that seems to get along very well with tube amps.

Try to get a chance to play a guitar with the pickups your considering before spending your cash, as pickups are really very expensive.

I've been playing EMG's since they were new to the market. Don't believe that the bullshit that they are only good for distortion. They are a very good pickup that can drive high gain without sacrificing tone or being prone to feedback.

I was also friends with a session player that also had a gigging cover band. He played EMG's when he could afford anything he wanted. He felt they were the most versitile pickup available for any style of music.

good luck on your selection, and make your decision with your own ears.


you sir are speaking the truth.

EMG's were actual;ly invented for blues players to give them clearer cleans and to push their amps into distortion easier.

its just that they also happen to be very awesome for t3h br00talz.

EMG's work best when pushing a valve amp for natural distortion, they also have less hum and ambient noise than passive pickups and the tone isnt affected by body wood as much (a double edged sword imo)
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