#1
Ok, to begin with let me say that I have never been to a proper casino and do not know if there are rules against this, because it seems so simple that people would have already thought about it and be making money from it. I am posting my idea here in the hope that someone will be able to correct me if I am wrong anywhere. Advice from someone who works in a casino would be helpful.

My idea is to go to the table with a certain amount of money, lets call it 100. First bet, place 1 on black. If it lands on black you are up 1, place the next bet on black. This time it lands red, u lose 1. Next bet place 2 on black, it lands red again. Next bet place 4 on black (with each time you lose a bet, place one more unit on the same colour than you have previously lost altogether, ie. you lost a bet of one, then 2, which adds to 3, therefore bet 4 the next bet.) Keep using this system of betting one more that your combined loss until it finally lands on black, this way you will again be up 1 unit.
On average it will land on black almost half the time (there are two greens on the board, so it will not land on black half the time, but slightly less). Now, I dont know how often the board is spun, but for the sake of argument lets say once per minute. This means that it will land on black an average of every 2 and a half minutes (I am over exaggerating the effects of landing on green, if there was no green then it would be exactly an average of 2mins that it lands on black). This means if i bring $100 dollars to the table I am making $1 every 2 and a half mins, which is $24 an hour. Playing roulette as if it is a job, spend 40 hours a week there, you have made $960. If you play until you reach the $1000 mark, then bring $1000 to the table and use the same system but bet $10 each time, this will make you $9600 for every 40 hours you play.
If you bring a large enough amount, the chances of you betting on black and missing enough times so as to have no money left are highly unlikely, in fact so unlikely that if it does happen you can simply come back with the same amount and win your previous loss back in a matter of under 5 hours. Lossing all your money will happen so rarely that it is easy to just bring the same amount as you will already have won alot of money by this time.

If anyone can spot any problems in my system please point them out, but providing the casino has no rules such as "you cannot bet twice on the same colour" then I do not see how this system can fail.
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#2
Systems dont work on roulette, blackjack only works as what cards are drawn affect the odds later on, roulette odds are always the same, and over time odds are you lose money
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#4
Quote by Snapple
Systems dont work on roulette, blackjack only works as what cards are drawn affect the odds later on, roulette odds are always the same, and over time odds are you lose money



I dont see how the odds could beat me here though, can you explain?
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#5
Each time the wheel spins odds are the same, no matter what sort of money you are betting. If you are going to use that system, then all you are doing is make a small win more likely, but there is the chance of a big loss, and if you do that system over time odds are you will lose money.
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#6
That is called a martingale betting system. Or something of that kind. Not very new either.

It does have a problem. You're still playing a losing probability, and whether the day comes now, tomorrow, or two years from now, you're going to end up with a roulette session that has 11 reds in a row. The probability of hitting 11 reds in a row is bigger than 2^11 (0,00 if the table has it)

You starting a roulette session, betting on black, and hitting that 2^11:
1
2
4
8
16
32
64
128
256
512
1024

Count those together, that'll be your bets which you've lost.

There is no, I repeat, NO way whatsoever, to beat the game. Statistically, you'll just plain lose. You might win at times, but in the end, the math will get you. Like the above poster said, the only game with a slight win margin is blackjack, and that is a whole new thing. In order to reach 100% over, you'd have to count cards, and bet progressively depending on the card count.
#7
Quote by Snapple
Each time the wheel spins odds are the same, no matter what sort of money you are betting. If you are going to use that system, then all you are doing is make a small win more likely, but there is the chance of a big loss, and if you do that system over time odds are you will lose money.

yeah this system requires you to have enough money in reserve. If you finish on a win everyday then you'll make money but you have to have enough money for when you do lose big
#8
Quote by Malakian=God
I dont see how the odds could beat me here though, can you explain?

The odds beat you, because black/red isn't a 50/50 bet. You're betting on a bit smaller probability with a 2 to 1 return. That is the only probability you really need to understand.
#9
Quote by Snapple
Each time the wheel spins odds are the same, no matter what sort of money you are betting. If you are going to use that system, then all you are doing is make a small win more likely, but there is the chance of a big loss, and if you do that system over time odds are you will lose money.


Each time is 1/2 that youd win.


However, say you play ten times.

The odds that you will lose every time is only 1/10. That means that you are likely to win at least one time.
#10
Quote by ferretman
yeah this system requires you to have enough money in reserve. If you finish on a win everyday then you'll make money but you have to have enough money for when you do lose big

If you lose 11 times in a row with a starting bet of 1, you'd have to have grinded this system over 2000 times (given you have the stones to start it up in the first place).

That is thousands of spins. Hitting 11 reds in a row isn't that small of a probability with such a number.
#11
Quote by zeppelinfreak51
Each time is 1/2 that youd win.


However, say you play ten times.

The odds that you will lose every time is only 1/10. That means that you are likely to win at least one time.


Yes, and you will keep your money, but eventually you will lose so many times that you run out of money, while the other times you are only really winning small amounts. You cant as asmeister said, beat roulette without cheating, only blackjack when card counting allows you to find favourable times to bet (and counting is cheating).

Just look at ppl that bet big to try and win back their loses, its not pretty sometimes.
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#12
i don't really see a major flaw in it. It's not perfect, as you COULD still lose on your really big 'backup' bets, but it seems like a pretty safe way to make some small cash.
#13
Quote by zeppelinfreak51
Each time is 1/2 that youd win.


However, say you play ten times.

The odds that you will lose every time is only 1/10. That means that you are likely to win at least one time.


No. First of all, the probability is under 1/2. It's not even 47,5%.

Second, even if it were 1/2 odds, you losing ten in a row is not 1/10. It's much smaller than that. Still doesn't change the losing scenario.
#14
Think of it this way

You may win $5 or so everytime, but odds are you lose more than $250 or whatever much you have in total in at least once every 49 times, so the odds favour the house, so you will lose money.

If you have a bigger amount of money, the odds of you losing big decrease but again the amount of money you lose increases, so it works out the same.
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#15
Quote by asmeister
No. First of all, the probability is under 1/2. It's not even 47,5%.

Second, even if it were 1/2 odds, you losing ten in a row is not 1/10. It's much smaller than that. Still doesn't change the losing scenario.

true, people always forget 0 and 00, and they dont take it into account.

this system is terribly flawed, my brother tried a similar thing in vegas and lost like 300 bucks.
his system?
bets triple whatever he did before.
black 1
loses
black 3
loses
black 9
loses

the odds reset themselves every time, you may have a good chance of hitting red (or black) on that big bet, but its not written in stone, and there is no way to tell if you'll get it or not.

stick to black jack, its the fairest game in casinos
#16
Yes, its the hurricane system, and if you do it on online casino sites, you can make about 250 a day, but If you do it in a real casino, you will get kicked out.
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#17
i happen to know someone who used to do something very similar
and he won quite a large sum of money this way ,also make sure you dont keep playing after a new spinner is brought in
he watches alot of spins to decide the most uncommon number and picks that number then doesnt change it ,then he uses a similar betting method to the one you stated
#19
Quote by jimbobolon
i happen to know someone who used to do something very similar
and he won quite a large sum of money this way ,also make sure you dont keep playing after a new spinner is brought in
he watches alot of spins to decide the most uncommon number and picks that number then doesnt change it ,then he uses a similar betting method to the one you stated


And that system doesnt make any difference either
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#20
You couldn't even do it in a real casino. There are betting limits.

Either way,

http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/bettingsystems.html

If you're ever going to gamble, read that one. The entire site, that is. This page linked has an article about martingale, I'm sure it'll do a better job of explaining why it's a losing strategy (like all betting strategies are in a statistically losing game).
#21
Quote by jimbobolon
i happen to know someone who used to do something very similar
and he won quite a large sum of money this way ,also make sure you dont keep playing after a new spinner is brought in
he watches alot of spins to decide the most uncommon number and picks that number then doesnt change it ,then he uses a similar betting method to the one you stated


That's gamblers fallacy. Previous spins have no, NO correlation whatsoever to the next ones. What you have is a table with percentages, and each percentage is as likely as the other one.

You spinning
0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 in roulette is EQUAL PROBABILITY to spinning:
23,14,8,36,33,11,2,8,5,9,4
#22
You could win you could lose. Roulette is a house advantage game. The odds will always be in favor of the house no matter how you play that system. It's not a 50/50 type of game. Yes betting black or red is your safest bet but will yield the lowest amount of money. The 0's in roulette are what gives the house the big advantage. Those through the board off just enough to keep system's like you stated from working in the long run. So "success" for someone else doesn't mean the system worked, it means he got lucky. That's why it is gambling. Like everybody has said blackjack is more towards the player, but still a house advantage game. Because they win on ties and busts. So nowhere you go in a casino is gonna guarantee you money.

Go gamble though, it's fun, just make sure you have the extra cash. Don't go in there thinking that winning will get you out of some money hole, cause if you lose you are royally f**ked. Good luck though.
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Systems dont work on roulette, blackjack only works as what cards are drawn affect the odds later on, roulette odds are always the same, and over time odds are you lose money

This


Blackjack is the easiest game to take advantage of because once you know how many decks are out and if you can remember what's been played, you can play odds on what remains.

In every other casino game odds are either hard or impossible to calculate. I'll go with your example of roulette. just because the ball lands on a black twice doesn't mean that it will land on a black during the next spin. In craps, just because a 7 is rolled doesn't make the 7 any more likely to appear again.
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#25
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You could win you could lose. Roulette is a house advantage game. The odds will always be in favor of the house no matter how you play that system. It's not a 50/50 type of game. Yes betting black or red is your safest bet but will yield the lowest amount of money. The 0's in roulette are what gives the house the big advantage. Those through the board off just enough to keep system's like you stated from working in the long run. So "success" for someone else doesn't mean the system worked, it means he got lucky. That's why it is gambling. Like everybody has said blackjack is more towards the player, but still a house advantage game. Because they win on ties and busts. So nowhere you go in a casino is gonna guarantee you money.

Go gamble though, it's fun, just make sure you have the extra cash. Don't go in there thinking that winning will get you out of some money hole, cause if you lose you are royally f**ked. Good luck though.

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#26
The guys not replyed back, so I assume hes learnt his lesson.
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#27
the thread starter is a dumbass there are 38 slots on the borad 18 black, 18 red, and 2 green
always betting on either black or red your odds are still 18/38 or roughly 47.4%, and as other people mentioned because it is a game of chance, that 52.7% is definately working against you
#28
No, the guy was right.
Bet 1 on black, if you win, you win 2, and then you revert back to red.
Bet 1 on red, if you lose, bet 2 on red, if you lose, bet 4 on red, if you lose, bet 8 on red, this time you win, and you get 16, when you only spent 7 losing, so you have gained 9.
Go back to black, bet 1, etc etc etc.

The deal is that when you do win, as long as you follow the pattern of doubling the amount you bet then returnig to 1 when you win, the amount you win is always more than you lost trying. So if you keep doing it, wait until you win, and you have almost a 50% of winning each turn, then leave, and you have gained money.

This system works, if you had like a thousand dollars to start with, you would leave with basically as much as you have the patience to win.

But if you do it in a real casino, they will kick your ass out. Some online casinos do not however have knowledge of this system or how to stop it, so people can make about £250 without arousing suspicion, you could make more if you wanted.

It's called the hurricane system and it works. Just not in real casinos.
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#29
It could work if more than 1 person is involved.

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No, the guy was right.
Bet 1 on black, if you win, you win 2, and then you revert back to red.
Bet 1 on red, if you lose, bet 2 on red, if you lose, bet 4 on red, if you lose, bet 8 on red, this time you win, and you get 16, when you only spent 7 losing, so you have gained 9.
Go back to black, bet 1, etc etc etc.

The deal is that when you do win, as long as you follow the pattern of doubling the amount you bet then returnig to 1 when you win, the amount you win is always more than you lost trying. So if you keep doing it, wait until you win, and you have almost a 50% of winning each turn, then leave, and you have gained money.

This system works, if you had like a thousand dollars to start with, you would leave with basically as much as you have the patience to win.

But if you do it in a real casino, they will kick your ass out. Some online casinos do not however have knowledge of this system or how to stop it, so people can make about £250 without arousing suspicion, you could make more if you wanted.

It's called the hurricane system and it works. Just not in real casinos.
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#30
Quote by Snapple
Yes, and you will keep your money, but eventually you will lose so many times that you run out of money, while the other times you are only really winning small amounts. You cant as asmeister said, beat roulette without cheating, only blackjack when card counting allows you to find favourable times to bet (and counting is cheating).

Just look at ppl that bet big to try and win back their loses, its not pretty sometimes.


counting isn't cheating. it isn't allowed by casinos and you certainly shouldn't try doing it (mostly because you'll probably **** up and lose money anyway) but it isn't cheating. it does not break any of the rules of blackjack. the only problem is that casinos don't like it, and have the right to eject anyone they see fit.
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#32
Quote by bob farrell
No, the guy was right.
Bet 1 on black, if you win, you win 2, and then you revert back to red.
Bet 1 on red, if you lose, bet 2 on red, if you lose, bet 4 on red, if you lose, bet 8 on red, this time you win, and you get 16, when you only spent 7 losing, so you have gained 9.
Go back to black, bet 1, etc etc etc.

The deal is that when you do win, as long as you follow the pattern of doubling the amount you bet then returnig to 1 when you win, the amount you win is always more than you lost trying. So if you keep doing it, wait until you win, and you have almost a 50% of winning each turn, then leave, and you have gained money.

This system works, if you had like a thousand dollars to start with, you would leave with basically as much as you have the patience to win.

But if you do it in a real casino, they will kick your ass out. Some online casinos do not however have knowledge of this system or how to stop it, so people can make about £250 without arousing suspicion, you could make more if you wanted.

It's called the hurricane system and it works. Just not in real casinos.

You're stupid, and deserve to lose money.
#33
Just thought I'd bump this to shed some light on the Martingale/Hurricane system.

I got on my online casino last night with $100. I started playing single hand blackjack with $1 bets, doubling up after losses, and was on fire. Before I knew it I was at $200. I got really fired up and started doing $5 bets. After an hour I was at $650 or something crazy like that. I knew in my head I should hurry and disconnect, but I was rolling and thought I could hit a grand. So I kept up the $5 bets. Lost about 6 or so bets in a row, finally stopped, and ended up with about $3 more than I started with. I felt like puking.

Martingale can get you tons of cash in just hours, but do not play it for long term benefits unless you have a huge bankroll and are doing $1 bets nonstop. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
#34
Quote by asmeister
That is called a martingale betting system. Or something of that kind. Not very new either.

It does have a problem. You're still playing a losing probability, and whether the day comes now, tomorrow, or two years from now, you're going to end up with a roulette session that has 11 reds in a row. The probability of hitting 11 reds in a row is bigger than 2^11 (0,00 if the table has it)

You starting a roulette session, betting on black, and hitting that 2^11:
1
2
4
8
16
32
64
128
256
512
1024

Count those together, that'll be your bets which you've lost.

There is no, I repeat, NO way whatsoever, to beat the game. Statistically, you'll just plain lose. You might win at times, but in the end, the math will get you. Like the above poster said, the only game with a slight win margin is blackjack, and that is a whole new thing. In order to reach 100% over, you'd have to count cards, and bet progressively depending on the card count.

I wanted to type this, but I was beaten to it... so I will just quote this, to let you guys know that this man is right, and ends this thread.