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#1
Now we all know that these two demographics are polar opposites of each other. No self respecting classical guitarist would be caught dead headbanging to some brutal death metal song and no true metalhead would be able to listen to any Bach composition for more than 20 seconds.


Now I just said all that to get youe attention and it's pure bullshit . But I think that metalheads and classical music fans have more in common than they let slip. To a large extent, both enjoy complex music and intricate instrumental passages and the interplay of the instruments. And both appreciate the hard work it takes to attain the virtioustic standard that both these styles of music demand. Now granted, some metal is exceedingly easy, but so are some classical pieces.

So do you think classical music fans and metal fans have basically the same taste in music but only the tool differ, i.e, classical music has violin, piano, cello and metal has guitar, bass and drums.

So am I making a good point or should I just go back to headbanging to Beethoven?
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#2
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#3
Hm......Richie Blackmore....Yngwie Malmsteen.....???

I think this point has been proven many times before.
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#6
well i love metal and i love classical so i guess it makes sense
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#7
I guess...?

I enjoy both. There is a radio station that plays classical music and I fall asleep to it.
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#8
Pretty decent point I guess, I took a music appreciation class last year and loved the music we listened to. I don't think people would necessarily call me a metalhead though, I do listen to it, but not strictly metal.
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#9
I'm not saying that metal hasen't been influenced by classical music, that is a given. What I'm saying is that the fans of both the music styles are basically the same in their taste of music, only the image and the instruments differ.
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#10
quite true.
i love a well structured and complicated metal song and prog metal like dream theater, opeth and between the buried and me blows me away
however metal is great due to either catchy choruses, fast drum beats or face melting guitar riffs
classical music has no lyrics
#11
Why would metalheads hate classical? There is a lot of metal/shred with classical influence.

But you are right when you say only the instruments and image differ.
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#12
The Human Abstract is metal+classical. I enjoy both genres immensely.
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Hm......Richie Blackmore....Yngwie Malmsteen.....???

I think this point has been proven many times before.


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#15
maybe in theory the music is comparable, but the lyrics, loudness, distortion is probably why it doesn't click with many classical music fans who tend to enjoy quite and clean music that only gets loud during a songs climax.
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quite true.
i love a well structured and complicated metal song and prog metal like dream theater, opeth and between the buried and me blows me away
however metal is great due to either catchy choruses, fast drum beats or face melting guitar riffs
classical music has no lyrics


Yes but many classical songs have very catchy melody lines, no wonder many of them are used in so many films and even in elevators. You can just hum along to them, and I doubt I can do that with a Meshuggah song .

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Why would metalheads hate classical? There is a lot of metal/shred with classical influence.


Read my first post in it's entirety.

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#19
A big part of metal is influenced by classical music, especially Shred, Power, Neo-Classical and others
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maybe in theory the music is comparable, but the lyrics, loudness, distortion is probably why it doesn't click with many classical music fans who tend to enjoy quite and clean music that only gets loud during a songs climax.


Yes I agree. But that is only because fans of metal are used to the heaviness. When you heard your first tech death song, you might not have understood anything. But after a while, you began to figure out the intricacies of the instruments. It works the other way around as well. A metalhead will get bored very quickly of a classical piece just because he/she is used to the loudness and heavyness.
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A big part of metal is influenced by classical music, especially Shred, Power, Neo-Classical and others



So that's why it's called Neo-Classical.....

If you people haven't noticed yet, I think this thread is full of obviousness. That's a word.
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#23
I think metalheads can enjoy both more than classical fans can. Classical fans aren't used to the heaviness.

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Yes but many classical songs have very catchy melody lines, no wonder many of them are used in so many films and even in elevators. You can just hum along to them, and I doubt I can do that with a Meshuggah song .


Meshuggah doesn't have a ton of classical influence, but I still think they write catchy riffs. I get Meshuggah songs stuck in my head almost every day.
#24
No I don't. Those traits are in most genres of music to some extent - there are complicated versions and simple versions of every genre

and plus : classical > metal
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Real metal dudes don't only like shred guitar. Quite a few have a large musical taste from blues and such.
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So that's why it's called Neo-Classical.....

If you people haven't noticed yet, I think this thread is full of obviousness. That's a word.


Again, I'm not comparing the music styles just for the sake of the music. We know metal is heavily influenced by classical. What I was stating is that metalheads have a lot in common musical taste-wise to classical music fans. A lot of classical music fans and musicians look down upon the majority of metal as a lower form of music and metalheads and uneducated and unshaven, while in essence, they are basically the same in their appreciation of complex music.

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No I don't. Those traits are in most genres of music to some extent - there are complicated versions and simple versions of every genre and plus : classical > metal


But in metal and classical it is an intention of the musicians to create technical and challenging stuff. All genres have complicated and simple stuff, but rarely do you see such a strict adherence to technicality and virtuosity. And I agree with the dude who posted above saying that being a metalhead opens up your music pallet to many other genres. Well atleast that's how it's been for me .
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#27
I hate to be annoyingly pedantic...but surely pretty much all music nowadays (emphasis on the pretty much) is influenced by 'classical' music? I'm just assuming you mean classical music to mean anything pre-1900ish, but if you recognise classical music as being different from Baroque, Romantic and even Renaissance then my point becomes less valid.

Metal is hardly the only genre to use elements of classical music. Heck, the whole idea of Major and Minor keys came from 'classical' music.
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I hate to be annoyingly pedantic...but surely pretty much all music nowadays (emphasis on the pretty much) is influenced by 'classical' music? I'm just assuming you mean classical music to mean anything pre-1900ish, but if you recognise classical music as being different from Baroque, Romantic and even Renaissance then my point becomes less valid.

Metal is hardly the only genre to use elements of classical music. Heck, the whole idea of Major and Minor keys came from 'classical' music.


I agree with your point, every music in some way influences all the other genres. But the way that metal and classical are similar is in the mentality. Both sects appreciate technicality and are always looking out to create more technical music. I was comparing the mentality of the classical musician and music fan to that of a metalhead, I know that classical has influenced almost every genre of music including metal, I was commenting on the tastes and mentalities of both the music's fans.
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I think metalheads can enjoy both more than classical fans can. Classical fans aren't used to the heaviness.


Meshuggah doesn't have a ton of classical influence, but I still think they write catchy riffs. I get Meshuggah songs stuck in my head almost every day.


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#34
i'm currently listening to I Giorni - Ludivco Einaudi

and i went to see Metallica a few days ago

admittadly not exactly death metal however shows variety in my tastes as i also went to see Dizzee Rascal

open your mind and embrace all music

music is too much about fashion

deny it all you want but the reason you will turn off Take That's newest hit is purely on who they are if you're a metalhead

it might be brillliant

i mean i know every1 has their tastes

but don't restrict your ears
#35
I think a lot of metal heads, despite saying they like classical, have a very shallow view of classical music and don't really know that much about it.

That point is further illustrated by everyone in this thread saying classical listener's aren't used to "heavy" music and that classical songs have "happy melodies." Ever heard of Shostakovich or Bartok? Probably a lot of you haven't, because the majority of people who say they like classical can't name many other composers besides "the big three."

I only really listen to classical. I don't like metal because I think that it's really simple, despite the virtuosity of some of the players. Playing many notes fast doesn't necessarily make something more complex.

As a matter of fact, to be honest, it really irritates me when people try and compare the two genres, because classical music (and no, I don't just mean the Classical era, though this also applies to that) is so much more obviously intelligent and meaningful than any kind of metal.


EDIT: I don't actually only listen to classical. My ipod is filled with about 26 gigs of classical, and the rest (about 4 gigs or so) is jazz. When it comes to rock, I like Pavement, Phish and the Grateful Dead. I listen to some rap like The Roots from time to time also. Just want to clear that up.
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i'm currently listening to I Giorni - Ludivco Einaudi

and i went to see Metallica a few days ago

admittadly not exactly death metal however shows variety in my tastes as i also went to see Dizzee Rascal

open your mind and embrace all music

music is too much about fashion

deny it all you want but the reason you will turn off Take That's newest hit is purely on who they are if you're a metalhead

it might be brillliant

i mean i know every1 has their tastes

but don't restrict your ears
Thank you. My friends and I listen to tons of different stuff ranging from Pop to Metal to Classical (Spanning Baroque to 20th Century) to Rap to whatever weird **** we can find.


Shackman10: I'm sorry but you're just ignorant. I love my fair share of "Classical" (Vivaldi, Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky, Berg, Bartok and the "big three") but you're just as bad as these "shallow metalheads".


DOUBLEEDIT:I guess I haven't looked hard enough but every Bartok piece I have just isn't that dark when all I hear is how dark his music is....Very dark Classical is like my crack.
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Thank you. My friends and I listen to tons of different stuff ranging from Pop to Metal to Classical (Spanning Baroque to 20th Century) to Rap to whatever weird **** we can find.


Shackman10: I'm sorry but you're just ignorant. I love my fair share of "Classical" (Vivaldi, Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky, Berg, Bartok and the "big three") but you're just as bad as these "shallow metalheads".


DOUBLEEDIT:I guess I haven't looked hard enough but every Bartok piece I have just isn't that dark when all I hear is how dark his music is....Very dark Classical is like my crack.


I'm not just as bad, because instead of just being ignorant and thinking I'm enjoying high culture by playing the four seasons every so often between my Cannibal Corpse cds, I'm listening to these bands and deciding that they aren't good because the musicianship just isn't there. People like Yngwie Malmsteen, who played that "concerto for electric guitar," are so naive to think that just orchestrating something makes it automatically intelligent and cultured.

If you listen to the Yngwie piece on youtube, "Blitzkrieg," it's just him shredding over pretty much backing chords being played by an orchestra. ANYONE could write that.
#39
I was just headbanging along to the 7th

I don't know a single metalhead who doesn't take his Death and his Brahms in equal measure. In fact, they're all classically trained musicians. In my mind, Beethoven and Richard Strauss much more like Deicide than most people realize.

I would also say that classical music almost trains you to appreciate more "challenging" music... like kvlt black metal, for instance?
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I was just headbanging along to the 7th

I don't know a single metalhead who doesn't take his Death and his Brahms in equal measure. In fact, they're all classically trained musicians. In my mind, Beethoven and Richard Strauss much more like Deicide than most people realize.

I would also say that classical music almost trains you to appreciate more "challenging" music... like kvlt black metal, for instance?


Oh yes, black metal is so challenging to listen to. I just can't wrap my head around the complex harmonic structure of the material. The screaming and growling speaks to me so much.


BTW, some good Bartok would be his string quartets, particularly #4 and his Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. If you don't like him there's of course Shostakovich, like his trio #2 in E minor or Stravinsky...like maybe The Soldier's Tale.