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I often hear people who are atheists talk about Karma as being the way the world is handled. I wanted to open this topic up. Karma, to me, seems even more absurd than religion.

So I ask you, what is your stance on karma? Also, based on what religious beliefs do you base your stand on karma?
#3
I think karma is sorta like if a robber steals money, he'll feel bad about it later on in his life and see how stupid he was. Not like if he steals it, he'll be struck by lightning.
#4
well there seems to be alot of bad people going unpunished and many good people falling on hard times
#5
My parents are Buddhists, if that counts for anything. I usually just do good because I'm a decent human being. I'm not expecting a reward or anything like that.
#6
Huh? I'm atheist and i don't really believe in it. I'm not completely discarding the idea though sometimes it feels like it actually exists.
I don't try to be a good person because there might be something that will shove my bad deeds back in my face, I try to be a good person because I feel like it's the right thing to do, and this just stands to logic if people are nice the world is a better place
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#7
I'm a christian, and I sorta beleive in Karma. More like, what goes around comes around.
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I think karma is sorta like if a robber steals money, he'll feel bad about it later on in his life and see how stupid he was. Not like if he steals it, he'll be struck by lightning.

what you're describing is the robbers conscience, not karma. And I do believe in karma.
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Uhh i think its bull****, but yeah to each his own
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#11
****in stupid, but i like to believe everytime some **** happens. its fun to blame it on some omnipotent (or whatever) force. :\

same rules apply to the word "god"
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#12
I'm Atheist and don't really believe in karma. I feel that if you do good things to people they tend to reciprocate, but I don't count on it, like a solid principle.
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#13
I think sir isaac newton said it best "For everything in the universe, there is an equal and opposite reaction." (please dont flame me if im inncorrect, not ENTIRELY sure if it was him who said that quote)

I dont believe in actual karma, but i believe karma works like that. Or another quote id like to use

"The universe seems to unfold as it should"
-harold and kumar.

Things do have a way of working its self out wheather you believe in karma or not.
#14
"The universe seems to unfold as it should"
-harold and kumar.


did you seriously try to sound deep with a harold and kumar quote? :P
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well there seems to be alot of bad people going unpunished and many good people falling on hard times


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#16
To be an athiest and believe in karma is a huge oxymoron.

Karma is a belief of a religion.

As a Christian I don't believe in karma per se but I believe in a karma-like ideal where good deeds are rewarded and wrong actions are punished.
#17
i dont believe in karma, no matter who you are good and bad things are always going to happen to you
#18
dude im hindu and karma is for real.wat goes around comes around.its part of our religion and u also find elements of it in buddhism and many other religions...it works always.guess how godsmack got ther name?karma and effect baby
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well there seems to be alot of bad people going unpunished and many good people falling on hard times


Yeah, good point.
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Yes, there are good people who are falling on hard times and yes there are bad people who enjoy life, but I don't think that's a result of karma. I can't force myself to believe that there's a mystical force that brings justice. I believe that humans, together, have to establish justice, otherwise there will be constant chaos, as we can see today. I see good people suffering them making the wrong choices and wasting potential. You can't bring a knife to a gun fight, just like you can't be a nice guy in a greedy man's world. I feel that a lot of "good" people don't have what it takes to do what must be done. I'm not saying things are good, but climb the top and change... what I'm saying is really hard to explain, but you sort of get the idea...

As for the action and reaction... what forces a good action to have a good reaction in return? Equal doesn't mean good for good.
#21
I don't think most people who are atheists seem like the type to believe in karma, since it seems kind of a God like device and can't be proven at all with todays resources. I don't really believe in it either because it just seems like a way to give you more incentive for your actions, I also believe that good things often happen to bad people and vice versa so this doesn't really work with karma.
#22
Judging on how my life wound up to at this point, something DAMN good must be coming my way.

If karma existed.
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i think its really been said, but karma, i think, is not a direct chain from cause to effect, its more a capacitator of things to come, because karma, is (to my knowledge) a lot deeper than cause to effect, not spanning only the one life time (though i expect alot of u, dont really go for the 'next life' theory)

karma, in a sense 'ripens'... each act or decision, is 'graded' (for want of a better term) as a good or bad act/decision, and the level of it is determined also...e.g. stealing a garden gnome, isnt the same as holding several people hostage at gun point...

nearly everything we experience, is based on prior actions, and how those 'karma's' (i guess...) have 'evolved' (if u follow me...) for example, a broken arm, can be explained as the 'ripening' of that karma..and not to do so has consequences that i dont think anyone can properly understand...
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That one guy that shot his divorced wife, stole the kid, went to mexico, dropped him off at a church (wtf wierd I know but true I swear), and on his way out of the church died in a car crash. THATS f**ucking karma.

Ill find the article if I can, but it was all over the news in the USA.


edit: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-crash8-2008jul08,0,3114584.story
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#26
Its sounds ****ing stupid but My Name Is Earl actually got me thinking about it years ago and I actually find it seems to ring true.
#28
Karma is just a concept that good people use to console themselves that bad people will get what's coming. It's all just coincidence when 'karma' does occur.
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I laugh at you guy's view of karma. Karma is an ancient buddhish and hindu philosophy that incompasses many lives and reincarnations. Those of you saying "BAWWW I've been so good all these years yet I don't get that job I want" maybe you had been a serial killer in your previous life, that is if you believe in reincarnation.

I personally believe it's how you take everything in life. This world is just an illusion if you think about it, emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions in your brain, and if you can be positive even in a tough situation, then that situation becomes easier to handle, and vice versa. But whatever gives you hope and order, believe in that. Perception is reality.
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#30
I'm a firm believer in karma. But I'm not sure everyone here knows exactly what it is. It doesn't necessarily mean, do good things and good things happen. It basically mean that the totality of a person's actions in this life, will be reflected in their experiences in their next life. It may sound harsh, but for example, if a woman is raped and brutally murdered, a Buddhist will justify it by saying that in a previous life they were a very bad person, ie, they deserved it.
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I'm a firm believer in karma. But I'm not sure everyone here knows exactly what it is. It doesn't necessarily mean, do good things and good things happen. It basically mean that the totality of a person's actions in this life, will be reflected in their experiences in their next life. It may sound harsh, but for example, if a woman is raped and brutally murdered, a Buddhist will justify it by saying that in a previous life they were a very bad person, ie, they deserved it.



What about the murderer?
#32
Karma is not ego dependent and is often hard to value judge.Start with pranjna cultivate Jhāna and some understanding of karma may ensue.
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I laugh at you guy's view of karma. Karma is an ancient buddhish and hindu philosophy that incompasses many lives and reincarnations. Those of you saying "BAWWW I've been so good all these years yet I don't get that job I want" maybe you had been a serial killer in your previous life, that is if you believe in reincarnation.

I personally believe it's how you take everything in life. This world is just an illusion if you think about it, emotions are nothing more than chemical reactions in your brain, and if you can be positive even in a tough situation, then that situation becomes easier to handle, and vice versa. But whatever gives you hope and order, believe in that. Perception is reality.



thats a very good point (some of it)...the 'i dont get the job i want' thing especially...

however, i myself do definitely believe in karma...however i dont know that you definitelky disagree with it, from that post...

perhaps you could clarify, what is your personal position on karma? 'believer' or no?
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thats a very good point (some of it)...the 'i dont get the job i want' thing especially...

however, i myself do definitely believe in karma...however i dont know that you definitelky disagree with it, from that post...

perhaps you could clarify, what is your personal position on karma? 'believer' or no?


Well I believe that the decisions we make and the actions we take will obviously affect us in the future in a positive and negative way. The way I see it is, there is always gonna be a positive and negative side to the story, and no matter how much good we do we still might get ****ed later on.

I just believe that whatever life gives you, you have in some way deserved it, wheater you realise and accept it or not is dependent, and you just take what you can get and make the best out of it. Learn your lesson and move on. At the end of the day everything that has happend in the past has molded you into what you are currently.

Good and bad are completely relative to the person who sees the good and bad. So what if you keep helping old people cross the road or donate to orphanages, your life is suddenly not gonna take a turn for the better, or the worse for that matter. You dictate which direction your life will take.

I think karma is just a guideline for us. If we feel bad, we have to do something to change it. And hence, we find our way.
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#35
I'm a believer of karma.You guys have gotta try it.Just like us,if someone helps us,we'll help them back in return.However,if someone fu*ks us up,we'll fu*k them back too.It doesn't means that the person we've helped or damned will do the same back to us, other people may also do the same for us.
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#36
karma is a lot of things.

in hinduism, good acts give you good energy, and that energy carries on into the next life. if you have good energy, your life will be good. if you have bad energy, your life will be hard.

in christianity, karma is more along the lines of God and Satan. if you do good things, you feel good. if you do bad things, you feel guilt. if you don't repent of the bad things you do, you spend eternity in hell.

a third definition was given to me by a teacher, though he pretty much related it as the Butterfly effect. every single action affects everyone around you, who affect the people around them and so on. eventually, your good deeds can come back to reward you or hurt you.
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I dont believe in a specific religion, but I do believe that there's more to life then this. I strongly believe in karma too, although I don't forsee good things coming my way.
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#38
It's fairly clear to me that there is an energy about this world, things with positive energy tend to do well, things with negative - not so well. That's karma right there.
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I don't believe that there is SOMETHING OUT THERE that punishes you for doing something bad, and rewards you for doing good.

I think it's just natural consequences of things, as well as the previously mentioned example of concience. If you commit a crime, you'll probably regret it later. That isn't karma. That's just natural.

We all go through good and bad cycles. I don't think it's something systematic, but it does happen occasionally, if only by chance.
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It's fairly clear to me that there is an energy about this world, things with positive energy tend to do well, things with negative - not so well. That's karma right there.

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#40
I'm an atheist, and I believe in karma like this: No superstitious mumbo jumbo, just the simple fact that if you're good to others, others will be good to you. Also, if you're good to others, it will make you feel good too. Simple. I don't believe that if you kill someone, you'll get cancer or anything like that. Karma is all about psychology.
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