#1
Hey guys. I am looking at either getting a Jekyll and Hyde OD and distortion, or a Line 6 uber metal and a Dimarzio X2N bridge pickup. What do you think is the better option for me?

A little background, I have an Agile Ghost III with EMG 81/85 Combo, and a Agile Hornet with 1 stock pup and a Duncan Distortion. I have a Krank Rev Jr. half stack, and as far as pedals, I have a nano metal muff, a fish and chips EQ and a junky Korg AX5g for the rare occasion I need delay and things like that.

So, I would love to get a heavier distortion that I'm sure the uber metal will give, and I really want to replace that stock pickup in the hornet, but I don't have an overdrive pedal at all to push my tubes. Now, I can't really get my volume too loud on my amp since I live in a condo, so would a overdrive even help that much?
#3
where does it say anything about line 6 spider?
Quote by Tatersalad1080
do what jimbleton said


^ i did something good!!

Quote by tjhome28
This.


^ to something i said!

☭UG Socialist Party ☭
#5
He never even mentioned a Spider amp... he has a Krank Rev Jr. and is looking a pedal... Learn to ****ing read...

I've heard the ubermetal and i'm not to impressed with it - you might like it though - all you can do is try it out along with the Jekyll and Hyde, which I haven't tried myself...

I'd try a Tubescreamer of some sort perhaps.
My Gear
Original JCM800
Fender Blues
ADA MP1 Rack

1952 RI Tele
Fender Floyd Fat Strat
Dean Razorback V255
Dean ML79F
Fender Strat, scalloped
Fender Floyd Strat
Ibanez RG550 - 1987 DY, 1990 DY, 2002 BK
Kramer Paul Dean
Danelectro DC59
#6
Yeah, I have no idea where you got spider from, I have a Krank man. It eats Spiders for breakfast.

I just have never used an overdrive pedal before, so I'm not sure if it would give me what I'm looking for. I'll tell you, the built in noisegate on the ubermetal is catching my eye too...
Last edited by tkozuch at Aug 28, 2008,
#7
Quote by mck_776
I've heard the ubermetal and i'm not to impressed with it - you might like it though - all you can do is try it out along with the Jekyll and Hyde, which I haven't tried myself...

I'd try a Tubescreamer of some sort perhaps.


The Jekyll side of the J&H is a tubescreamer clone - and a pretty good one. Not familiar with the Line 6 pedal (and I'm really not a metal guy), but I bought the J&H for my son, and he loves it. I've also been impressed. Visual Sound makes a quality product.
You Don't Need a halfstack.

You Don't Need 100W.

Quote by jj1565
i love you slats.
#8
Quote by killjoys
dont get a line 6 spider...
its terrible


he was talking about a line 6 pedal
STEAM: beachhhhhhhh

Quote by cornmancer
Please daddy, just for one hour.
#9
Why would you need a distortion pedal for your Krank? That just seems like a huge waste of money to me.
Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
#10
well, i can't push the tubes hard because i can't crank up the volume, which is the only way I'll get good distortion out of it. Maybe the OD would help that? I dunno, I'm a fairly new tube user
#11
as for the pedal I would suggest a regular BOSS OD,asuming your krank has killer distortion anyway and for the pick up in the hornet an Air Norton in the neck.
Btw you can't go wrong with X2N just don't go for the line 6 IMO
Ibanez RGA 8 (Dimarzio D Activator 8)->Rocktron Hush->Engl E530 preamp->Marshall 9200 poweramp->Marshall 4x12 closed back cab w/ G12t75's
#12
Ok, so maybe a dumb question, but like I said, new to tubes. Will the overdrive give me tube distortion from my amp at lower volumes? Like I said, i can't put my volume any more than 1/3 full or else it would kill my neighbors. That's why I have been using the distortion, to get a metal tone at slightly lower volumes. Not sure what to do on it. The J&H certainly looks like a nicer piece of gear though....

And unfortunately, can't demo then, no guitar centers around me
#13
The Krank should have have plenty gain to get a good metal tone at low volumes?

I've tried one and it had gain out the ass.


But yes, an Overdrive with the drive set to 0 and gain to 10 should give you more distortion and will also tighten up the amp's sound.


Please don't buy Boss anything.
Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
#14
if price is an issue then get the x2n and mod an ibanez ts7

the jekyll and hyde would be a good purchase though
if you love bbe products join the "i heart bbe" group. kthnx (click link below)
http://groups.ultimate-guitar.com/ilovebbe/

Quote by Dempsey68
get a cheap marshall... my MG15DFX has a button that simulates the sound of one of the expensive tube marshall amps.
#15
Quote by MatrixClaw
Why would you need a distortion pedal for your Krank? That just seems like a huge waste of money to me.

I disagree. Keeping the gain modest on a high gain amp will give you an insane rhythm tone as you'll have a little more clarity down low. The trade off is that dialing this in generally isn't conducive to having an equally awesome lead tone as there isn't enough gain to provide the sustain and feedback sometimes required for single note lead work. The solution is to add an OD or a distortion pedal essentially to give you the same amount of gain that you otherwise would have had anyway had you decided to turn it up on the amp a bit more.

I do this with my Soldano all the time. If I turned the gain all the way up on the dirty channel, I'd actually have more than how I have it set with both the amp and the OD, it's just that it's so much more versatile this way.
ESP LTD EC-256 and a Fender Deluxe VM
#16
Thanks for all the help. Ok, my deal is I either get just the jekyll and hyde, or both the x2n and uber metal. I'm working out deals with 2 seperate people.

But, since I never used an OD, and I already have a nano metal muff, I'm leaning towards the Jekyll and Hyde. I' really wanna get some crunching rhythm, palm-muting tones, which is the only reason I considered the Ubermetal. If you think i can get great metal tones with the Jekyll and my amp+muff, then cool. I can always just get a hotter pickup for my Hornet later. I really wanted a D sonic anway.
#17
Quote by MatrixClaw
The Krank should have have plenty gain to get a good metal tone at low volumes?

I've tried one and it had gain out the ass.


Please don't buy Boss anything.


Maybe I'm just doing something wrong because I'm a tube newb, but without my metal muff, I don't get those crunchy tones. It gives me a really rich, punchy, full sound, but you know, not those lamb of god chugga-chugga's that I'm after.
#18
^I think an OD in front of the amp will help you get the sound you're after.
I don't give a shit if you listen to me or not
#19
Quote by Kendall
I disagree. Keeping the gain modest on a high gain amp will give you an insane rhythm tone as you'll have a little more clarity down low. The trade off is that dialing this in generally isn't conducive to having an equally awesome lead tone as there isn't enough gain to provide the sustain and feedback sometimes required for single note lead work. The solution is to add an OD or a distortion pedal essentially to give you the same amount of gain that you otherwise would have had anyway had you decided to turn it up on the amp a bit more.

I do this with my Soldano all the time. If I turned the gain all the way up on the dirty channel, I'd actually have more than how I have it set with both the amp and the OD, it's just that it's so much more versatile this way.

Of course, wasn't saying anything about an OD, but putting a distortion like an Uber Metal on an amp with already tons of gain, seems a waste. An OD will do what he's after and have a better tone I'd think.
Quote by Dave_Mc
I've had tube amps for a while now, but never actually had any go down on me
Quote by jj1565
maybe you're not saying the right things? an amp likes to know you care.





www.SanctityStudios.com
#20
how do you set your amp?
Originally posted by primusfan
When you crank up the gain to 10 and switch to the lead channel, it actually sounds like you are unjustifiably bombing an innocent foreign land.


╠═══════╬═══════╣
τλε τρπ βπστλεπλσσδ
╠═══════╬═══════╣
#21
Thanks for the help, I think I've been convinced to get the Jekyl and Hyde. I was just uneducated on what an OD would do for me. Plus it has distorion built-in, so I can't go wrong.

As far as my amp setting, I usually change it up. But I usually play through the metal muff on the clean channel, but sometimes on the "krank" channel with everything roughly around 12 o'clock. Wouldn't say the mids are scooped, but less than 12