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It's approaching 7 years since the tragic events of September the 11th of 2001 took place in New York and Washington. Immediately after these events an atmosphere was created in the media, which did not lend itself to an analysis of what actually happened and why. Asking the "why?" question was particularly looked upon with scorn, and singled you immediately out as "anti-american". You were supposed to accept that the people who planned the attack were simply "evil", crazy and driven only by hate.

Can we now, after almost 7 years look back on these events and see them in a more objective light? The people who perpetrated these acts were clearly "evil" (in the sense that they wanted to kill and hurt others), they were also crazy (because they wanted to kill themselves), but what motives did they have for what they did? Why did they choose to target symbols of American finance (WTC), military (Pentagon) and power (White House)?

Any ideas?
#2
There are no evil people. It was what they believed to be justice.
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the americans bombed the middle east and stuff so the alqueida crew blew the **** out of the twin towers
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#5
Probably because they interpret the Qurran to tell that that the western world is in league with Satan? Or that any non-muslims should be murdered for not believing in Allah?

The guy above is an idiot, don't listen to his incorrect explanation.
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#7
How do you physically attack religion?
Unless Saddam is secretly building weapons of mass destruction in heaven....
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#8
People believed so strongly in their religion that they killed themselves and thousands of other people for their god. Obviously though the deeds that they did were evil.
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There are no evil people. It was what they believed to be justice.


+1

To us, they're evil. To them, we're evil. How can we really say who's beliefs are right, and who's beliefs are wrong apart from personal biases?
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#10
Because they knew the effect it would have on America and the westeren world in general. In psychological warfare, its not how many you kill, it's the impact it has on the survivors, even the impact on the victims in the time before they die. This big, powerful nation, where everyone thinks they are the best in the world, was succesful attacked and shaken to the corre by some comparitvly small group of terrorists, and no-one wanted to ackknowledge the fact, they just felt the need to strike back. The reason we never questioned it was because we didn't want to, at least thats what I think.

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#13
The people behind it wanted power and didn't like America (with which I already excluded 9% of the rest of the world), and the ppl who actually hijacked the plane were driven mad by religion. Don't blaim those religions though. Blaim the people who misinterpret them, give thousands of people the wrong information about what they believe in and want to use isolated verses from thousand year old books to get what they want from believers.
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#15
There's no easy answer to this, politics is a dangerous thing. There's a lot more to it, but in short Al Qaeda did it as a revenge attack to everything the US government stands for.
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How do you physically attack religion?
Unless Saddam is secretly building weapons of mass destruction in heaven....

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It's approaching 7 years since the tragic events of September the 11th of 2001 took place in New York and Washington. Immediately after these events an atmosphere was created in the media, which did not lend itself to an analysis of what actually happened and why. Asking the "why?" question was particularly looked upon with scorn, and singled you immediately out as "anti-american". You were supposed to accept that the people who planned the attack were simply "evil", crazy and driven only by hate.

Can we now, after almost 7 years look back on these events and see them in a more objective light? The people who perpetrated these acts were clearly "evil" (in the sense that they wanted to kill and hurt others), they were also crazy (because they wanted to kill themselves), but what motives did they have for what they did? Why did they choose to target symbols of American finance (WTC), military (Pentagon) and power (White House)?

Any ideas?


You call yourself English?

Perhaps you could give our language some respect and call it 11/9.
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+1

To us, they're evil. To them, we're evil. How can we really say who's beliefs are right, and who's beliefs are wrong apart from personal biases?

So you're saying that if I decide to write a book that sais it's ok to kill everybody you want to kill without any reason, and say that it's a part of my religion, that you'd allow me to? (before I kill you ofc). I'm not speaking any bad about existing religions, but I AM saying that you should think about the content of a religion before going on blind faith.
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There were many, many fundamental causes of 9/11, and many more complex things that branch of those. We'd never be able to fully get into it here.
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You call yourself English?

Perhaps you could give our language some respect and call it 11/9.

Shut the **** up

It's called 9/11
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So you're saying that if I decide to write a book that sais it's ok to kill everybody you want to kill without any reason, and say that it's a part of my religion, that you'd allow me to? (before I kill you ofc). I'm not speaking any bad about existing religions, but I AM saying that you should think about the content of a religion before going on blind faith.


I'm just saying that in their minds, what they did was right. There a difference between making a religion on a whim so you can kill whomever you please, and following a religion that has actually worked for, well, longer then Christianity.
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So you're saying that if I decide to write a book that sais it's ok to kill everybody you want to kill without any reason, and say that it's a part of my religion, that you'd allow me to? (before I kill you ofc). I'm not speaking any bad about existing religions, but I AM saying that you should think about the content of a religion before going on blind faith.

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You call yourself English?

Perhaps you could give our language some respect and call it 11/9.

What does that have to do with language? I didn't know a date format had anything to do with the English Language...excuse me if I'm mistaken. I'm sorry I disrespected the entire language by calling a historical event by it's proper name. Oh, the pain it must have caused you.

Now, every one stay on topic.
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I'm just saying that in their minds, what they did was right. There a difference between making a religion on a whim so you can kill whomever you please, and following a religion that has actually worked for, well, longer then Christianity.


You do realize that Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam, right?

Just because someone thinks what they are doing is just or righteous doesn't mean it's ok (I'm sure GW thought he was just and righteous, and I highly doubt I'd see you defend him) The fact of the matter is these people are scum, and they are so twisted by their religion, which doesn't not even go in accordance with true Muslim faith, that they would blow up a nursery and say it was just.
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#31
I don't think religion has much to do with anything regarding 9/11.

Bin Laden was upset at continued US presence in the middle east, particulary in Saudi Arabia which allowed US to set up troops there to fight in the Persian Gulf War. Afterward they refused to remove their troops. Gradually Bin Laden began to perceive more of a western imposition in middle eastern countries and eventually made the decision to go to war with the US. However, there's no way that a war could be won on US soil and so he attacked the US because he knew they would only have one recourse (they would perceive it as a clear act of war and invade the middle east). The plan was to lead the US troups into the mountains in Afghanistan where they could lead a long, drawn out war that would slowly bleed the US economy dry just like they did to the USSR in the 80's. Of course he underestimated the US military and they pretty much kicked ass in Afghanistan. Until, of course, the US decided to invade Iraq which pretty much handed Bin Laden everything he possibly could have hoped for and then some.
#32
They did what they think was right??? lol That's it? Killing thousands of fellow Americans for no reason, with no warning, innocent, harmless civilians... WAS RIGHT? To them?

I could tell you what I think is right for them. But i'd probably be banned from the site. Religion doesn't justify stupid actions and innocent deaths.

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#33
Because people are assholes.
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They did what they think was right??? lol That's it? Killing thousands of fellow Americans for no reason, with no warning, innocent, harmless civilians... WAS RIGHT? To them?


Yes in actual fact, it's their beliefs. Even though it may sound psychotic, evil and whatever but to them it's a good thing and will land them a place in 'paradise'
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#35
^I know what their religion is and what it consists of... I had to learn all about our "great cultural differences"

No, it doesn't sound evil, scary... it sounds out of this world... retarded.
#36
Misguided religious indoctrination, hating America for being shit stirrers in the middle east.
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#37
I personally blame Canada for the matter.
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I don't think religion has much to do with anything regarding 9/11.

Bin Laden was upset at continued US presence in the middle east, particulary in Saudi Arabia which allowed US to set up troops there to fight in the Persian Gulf War. Afterward they refused to remove their troops. Gradually Bin Laden began to perceive more of a western imposition in middle eastern countries and eventually made the decision to go to war with the US. However, there's no way that a war could be won on US soil and so he attacked the US because he knew they would only have one recourse (they would perceive it as a clear act of war and invade the middle east). The plan was to lead the US troups into the mountains in Afghanistan where they could lead a long, drawn out war that would slowly bleed the US economy dry just like they did to the USSR in the 80's. Of course he underestimated the US military and they pretty much kicked ass in Afghanistan. Until, of course, the US decided to invade Iraq which pretty much handed Bin Laden everything he possibly could have hoped for and then some.

You are an idiot if you think it isn't to do with religion

It was an act of Islamic Jihad
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You are an idiot if you think it isn't to do with religion

It was an act of Islamic Jihad


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You do realize that Christianity is about 600 years older than Islam, right?

Just because someone thinks what they are doing is just or righteous doesn't mean it's ok (I'm sure GW thought he was just and righteous, and I highly doubt I'd see you defend him) The fact of the matter is these people are scum, and they are so twisted by their religion, which doesn't not even go in accordance with true Muslim faith, that they would blow up a nursery and say it was just.


You and the poster who questioned what I said before you are misconstruing what I said, and forcing me to take up a position to defend them, which I really don't want to do. I had friends die in the attacks on the towers, and you think I'm trying to defend them? I'm just answering the TS's question, which was "Why did it happen?", was it not? And I gave a reason why it happened. Because, in their minds, what they did was the right thing to do. That's why it happened.

And you're taking what I said out of context. If you actually read through the thread, you'd realize that someone had asked that if they decided to create a religion just so they could kill people, would it be right? And I was explaining the difference of creating a religion just to kill and a religion that's been around for thousands of years, and is for the most part peaceful, but had followers with some different ideas of how the religion was to be followed. But yes, Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity. My mistake.

So, to finish, yeah, mah bad for answering the question the TS put out for us to answer.
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