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#1
I have a 1,200 dollar Fender Deluxe Stratocaster that I'm guessing wouldn't be nearly as much money as I paid for it if it was not a "Fender". Same with Gibson's. They are all rip offs. I have played cheap Korean made and Japanese made guitars that have felt and sounded better.


Stupid brand names jackin' up the price *grumbegrumbeshnarblegrr*


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#3
My Gibson was listed about 1300. It is a good quality but I would guess It woulda been around 900 if it wasn't for the name.
#4
This is why I always prefer Schecter.
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#5
I base my purchases on sound.

Fender Strat - worth it. You can easily tell the different between a real strat and some Epiphone ripoff. Or a Squier.

Les Paul - Better than a Gibson Les Paul, in my opinion. Worth it.

Ibanez JTK1 - Has a great sound, but I could easily find something similiar.

Parker Fly P12 - I like it better than my Strat.
It'd take another Parker to swap it.

But that's the price you pay for brand name, quality almost-guaranteed equipment.
#7
My jag was japanese, fender japan = value for money, my tele was bought used off ebay, well worth it, £100 cheaper than todays mexican standards, but the quality of the guitar is much much better.

You pretty much nearly always have to pay for name, even the companies like tokai, greco, burns etc. etc. that have been around for years making illigitimate copies of fenders n gibbys to much better quality than fender and gibby are building a name for themselves.
#8
Washburn X50 Pro - £300
Without the name - ~£300

I can't see much difference, I bet my Ibanez is hiked up though.
#9
Quote by Horlicks
Washburn X50 Pro - £300
Without the name - ~£300

I can't see much difference, I bet my Ibanez is hiked up though.

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#10
Quote by Dirty_Civilian
Every time I think Washburn, I think of Fall out Boy.


Nuno Bettencourt springs to mind here.
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#11
I owned a Gibson Les Paul once. £1400 it cost me, and the price of the one I got has actually gone up by another £150 since then.

... My Koreon-made Epiphone Joe Perry Boneyard LP cost £800 (the newer Chinese ones go for £500 though) and it plays, sounds and feels far better though. The Epi's never had a proper setup and is unmodded, and is basically faultless. My £360 Chinese-made Rally LP copy is equally as faultless, only the pickups are a little on the lifeless side (which I'm fixing with a pickup change anyway).

The Gibson? It needed two setups to get it playing right, then it needed the frets addressed (about 2/3 were filled, the rest had to be outright replaced), then the pickup switch needed to be replaced, and it still wasn't anywhere nears as good as the Epi.

Suffice to say, I resold the Gibson. I'm spending the money instead on having the Epi professionally refinished (going for a purple/indigo burst), and on a few more upgrades to the Rally LP (I'm thinking maybe having it routed so a Floyd Rose can be installed in it).
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#12
Quote by Macabre_Turtle
My ESP costs 420, but I think it's worth far more than that. Maybe twice that even.

First: you dont have an ESP, you have an LTD.
Second: its not worth 420, but then again, 420 isnt much anyway. So there wont be a huge rippoff on that guitar.
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#13
Quote by LP_CL
First: you dont have an ESP, you have an LTD.
Second: its not worth 420, but then again, 420 isnt much anyway. So there wont be a huge rippoff on that guitar.


Wow. A tad picky, aren't we?
Have you played that guitar? It plays and sounds far better than any Gibson/Ibanez/Fender/Dean/and so on, priced in the thousands I've played in a guitar store.
#14
Quote by Macabre_Turtle
Wow. A tad picky, aren't we?
Have you played that guitar? It plays and sounds far better than any Gibson/Ibanez/Fender/Dean/and so on, priced in the thousands I've played in a guitar store.


I don't think it's being picky at all; calling an LTD an ESP is like calling an Epiphone a Gibson. No matter what you think of the instruments and their price it's just wrong.

Anyway; to be honest with anything you pay a premium for a name but as long as you shop around you should be able to find a good deal on just about any instrument you want and you should be able to find something that plays well within your price range anyway without having to pay too much of an extortionate name-related price.

In my opinion the only company that really suffers from some kind of price-hike because of the name is Gibson anyway; all the other guitars I've ever played have seemed pretty reasonably priced, no matter what the price bracket actually was.
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#15
My Ibanez RGT42BP guitar costs 1490.17 dollars... It's worth buying it, sounds good to me and just my taste... The guitar is excellent..
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#16
and it'll cost the same without the brand name.. And by the way, the brand name is better. Don't want a guitar without brand name unless I design the guitar myself..
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#17
Mine says "Fender" on the headstock, and it was only $80....


it also says "STARcaster"
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#18
Quote by guilty
and it'll cost the same without the brand name.. And by the way, the brand name is better. Don't want a guitar without brand name unless I design the guitar myself..

not really.

you can get amazing guitars which outdo gibson or fender for about £500 if you go for a less known brand. These will normally serve better as an instrument than any Gibson or fender - take Fret King for example. This is just my opinion, but i'd rather use an espirit 3 than any strat, tele, jaguar... well maybe not a classic player jaguar but yeah, or les paul, SG, explorer... the espirit is just a brilliant instrument. Also, no gibson and especially not fender, in material value is worth more than £1000.
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#19
Quote by Macabre_Turtle

Have you played that guitar? It plays and sounds far better than any Gibson/Ibanez/Fender/Dean/and so on, priced in the thousands I've played in a guitar store.

If that were true, everybody would own this guitar. You are just lying to yourself. You know this isnt true. I have played LTD 400/500/600/1000 series, and they werent as good as 'guitars priced in the thousands' (which doesnt mean that they arent great for their prices), so how would an F250 be better?
You have a good guitar, for its price, but stop lying to yourself.
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#20
Probably about the same I paid for it. Carvin tends to not charge you up the ass.
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#21
My Ibanez was £300, which is perfect for the price, great trem, decent woods, great feel and sound.
My Carvin was £600, which is again perfect for the price, wilkinson trem, decent electronics, great feel etc etc.
#22
I think the production level Fenders are pretty good value for money. Some of the signatures are a little steep and the 'relic' finishes I think are rather expensive.

Gibson are overpriced and one hears stories of QC issues - although all the ones I've played (about 3 ) have been pretty good.

I think PRS are overpriced for mass production guitars. I still desperately want one though...

Some of the prestige level Ibanez are a little overpriced IMO - especially the Vai and (to a lesser extent) Satch sigs - though all sigs are overpriced so that's a bit moot.

It all amounts to the law of diminishing returns - you pay a lot for that last 5 or 10%.
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#23
Quote by LP_CL
If that were true, everybody would own this guitar. You are just lying to yourself. You know this isnt true. I have played LTD 400/500/600/1000 series, and they werent as good as 'guitars priced in the thousands' (which doesnt mean that they arent great for their prices), so how would an F250 be better?
You have a good guitar, for its price, but stop lying to yourself.


You're only lying to yourself if you believe it comes down to anything other than personal taste; obviously he just likes his guitar an awful lot, leave him be.
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#24
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You're only lying to yourself if you believe it comes down to anything other than personal taste; obviously he just likes his guitar an awful lot, leave him be.
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#25
Materials + labour = Cost price of guitar.
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#26
In that case a gibson should cost around, £600? Rather than £1200.
And a Fender around £500 instead of £700.
Unfortunately it's not as easy as material and labour costs.
#27
I reckon my MIA Deluxe Ash Strat would have been about £550 if it wasn't actually a Fender.

Thanks to the Education Commitee of my town, I didn't pay much more than that.
#28
my caparison cost me £1000, if it had been any other brand it would've cost me about £5000
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#29
Quote by LP_CL
If that were true, everybody would own this guitar. You are just lying to yourself. You know this isnt true. I have played LTD 400/500/600/1000 series, and they werent as good as 'guitars priced in the thousands' (which doesnt mean that they arent great for their prices), so how would an F250 be better?
You have a good guitar, for its price, but stop lying to yourself.


Because it's not the same guitar. That's how.
You and I don't have the same experience with guitars. My experience happens to tell me, that all the big brands expensive guitars fail in comparison to this one. I happen to really like my guitar. I happen to think it's worth more than it costs. Get over it.

Quote by Zaphod_Beeblebr
I don't think it's being picky at all; calling an LTD an ESP is like calling an Epiphone a Gibson. No matter what you think of the instruments and their price it's just wrong.

Anyway; to be honest with anything you pay a premium for a name but as long as you shop around you should be able to find a good deal on just about any instrument you want and you should be able to find something that plays well within your price range anyway without having to pay too much of an extortionate name-related price.

In my opinion the only company that really suffers from some kind of price-hike because of the name is Gibson anyway; all the other guitars I've ever played have seemed pretty reasonably priced, no matter what the price bracket actually was.



If you say so.

Gibson does do this REALLY bad. From my experience, most Epiphones are better than most Gibsons for a lower price.
#30
Quote by Macabre_Turtle


From my experience, most Epiphones are better than most Gibsons for a lower price.

That explains alot.
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#31
Quote by King85
Materials + labour + added charges + warranty= Cost price of guitar.

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#32
Quote by Blompcube
not really.

you can get amazing guitars which outdo gibson or fender for about £500 if you go for a less known brand. These will normally serve better as an instrument than any Gibson or fender - take Fret King for example. This is just my opinion, but i'd rather use an espirit 3 than any strat, tele, jaguar... well maybe not a classic player jaguar but yeah, or les paul, SG, explorer... the espirit is just a brilliant instrument. Also, no gibson and especially not fender, in material value is worth more than £1000.


Well,

your opinion really digs me... I would love to buy a sweet guitar with wonderful sound. However, I prefer other things too... Those with good body designs, not those bc-rich designs.. I consider this Espirit guitar, maybe I'll buy it someday.. Thanks..
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#35
I was wondering this aswell, but also with signiture guitars.
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A Titan, A Deity
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Zilla 2x12 Fatboy
Line 6 PodHD500
#36
Quote by Martin Scott
I got a £2,000 limited edition Gibson. I reckon it would have been about £50 without the Gibson name.


You spent 4000 bucks on a Gibson? Man...I really hope not. The only Gibson I'd EVER by, is the Zakk Wylde signature Custom shop, just because of the neck...it fucking plays like butter.
#37
Quote by Eric 666
You spent 4000 bucks on a Gibson? Man...I really hope not. The only Gibson I'd EVER by, is the Zakk Wylde signature Custom shop, just because of the neck...it fucking plays like butter.

in the UK its almost impossible not to spend that much on a Gibson. A les paul standard costs £1500 here...
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#38
Im pretty sure my spalted maple tele would cost 1200-1400 if it wasnt korean instead of 800 because its amazing.
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#39
I payed about 1250 euros for my american strat shut up
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#40
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Nuno Bettencourt springs to mind here.

Paul Stanley anyone?
Quote by Macabre_Turtle
Wow. A tad picky, aren't we?
Have you played that guitar? It plays and sounds far better than any Gibson/Ibanez/Fender/Dean/and so on, priced in the thousands I've played in a guitar store.

Well, considering you have a low/mid range LTD made out of agathis with all-ESP hardware... Don't take it personally if we doubt it beats all those guitars you said.
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