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Or have I missed them?

Looking for a tube combo with low watt and high gain to practice with. I´m kinda picky about my tone, so I won´t compromise about quality just because it´s a bedroom amp.
I want:
-Low watt so I can crank it at home.
-High gain so I can get into metal territory (Zakk, Metallica, RATM)
-Master volume knob.
-EQ.
-No pedal should be needed. (Maybe this is asking to much )

Imo, this means that the following (that I´ve tried) are out:
Orange TT
Laney LC30
Little Giant

These sounded great (at master volume 1):
Peavey 6505
Bugera 6262
But they are to f***ing loud. However, close to my ideal tone.

So, I think the amp industry is neglecting an important segment here:
THE PICKY BEDROOM PLAYERS!

Or maybe I should just get the Bugera and never go higher than 1 on master volume.

How come small low wattage amps don´t have a lot of gain, anyway? Is it....*drumroll*...impossible?

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#4
Get a bigger one and use a power attenuator?
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Get a bigger one and use a power attenuator?

Yeah, I'd get a higher watt head & cab and use a power attenuator. It'd come in handy if you got in a band and needed more power.
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#6
You need big transformers to get that low end oomph. That and getting lots of gain includes more gain stages which leads to more complicated designs which are more worth it if the amp has more watts.

Well, something along those lines at least.
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Krank revolution jr.?
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#8
The reason most high gain amps are high wattage is because most metal players don't want the cranked overdriven sound, which is more suited to classic rock. Metal players usually like the distortion straight from the amp.


Maybe you could have a look at the Peavey Mini colossal or the Ibanez Valbee, i hear they are quite high gain - but i don't really know. Or maybe the Conford Harlequin but that might be a bit expensive
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#10
there's a couple, but there aren't all that many. koch studiotone (not mega-high gain, but would do 80s thrash, say), krank revolution jr (haven't tried), ibanez valbee (haven't tried), brunetti something-or-other (again, haven't tried). EDIT: cornford, as mentioned above, would be worth a look too, but again aren't mega-high gain- more hard rock than metal, to my ears.

i think it's difficult, and expensive, to get high gainers in low wattages... a lot of the times you need the 100 watt power stage to get the headroom and tone for the metal stuff. if you liked the sound of the peavey at master volume 1, i'd just go with that, to be honest. it'll sound better cranked, but i'd rather get an amp which does the tone i want, even if i couldn't crank it, rather than get a more easily crankable amp which won't do the tone you want (as you've discovered with the laneys etc. you've tried).

i'd look into engl too, they sound pretty decent at low volumes (i've got one).
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Yeah, I was thinking of the Peavey Mini or Valveking. The VK is 50w but u can get a gained up disti sound at lower volumes.

the windsor can get pretty good gain too.
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Quote by fearo
Krank revolution jr.?


No. That's not going to suit his picky nature.
A ton of people say it's too muddy.
I didn't like the tone I got from it.


EDIT:

Tiny Terror is great.
Make a list of a couple to try out and go do it.
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Quote by theoreticmusic
No. That's not going to suit his picky nature.
A ton of people say it's too muddy.
I didn't like the tone I got from it.
That's because its a Krank, which is a love/hate brand for the most part. Personally I think the Rev Jr's are bad ass, would love one.

If you are playing the br00tz, you shouldn't want tube OD. Even cranking a 5W amp would still be loud as hell. You don't need to crank amps to get good tones, only to get great tones.

Just get the higher wattage amp and keep it lower.
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Quote by theoreticmusic
No. That's not going to suit his picky nature.
A ton of people say it's too muddy.
I didn't like the tone I got from it.



It's worth a try though since it does suit his needs.

TS: If you like the sound of a 6505 then I would go for it if you can afford it. I would check out Dave MCs recommendations since he knows his stuff.
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#17
The best amp that sounded just as good at low volumes and high volumes that I've ever used would have to be the Mark IV. It has the channel volume and master volume allowing you to really dial down the volume without really hurting your tone. Although, it'll run you over $1200...

You don't necessarily need a tube amp either, there are some pretty good SS amps that get plenty loud enough and feel enough like a tube amp to where it doesn't matter, not to mention they will sound good at low volumes...
Line 6 Flextone II (for metal)
Line 6 Flextone III for (for a bit of everything)
Randall G3 Plus Series RG75DG3PLUS I was completely blown away by this amp. It had quite a bit of warmth, tube dynamics, and effects onboard. Yes, it sounds too good to be true, but for $550, it's damn good, gets loud, sounds good quiet.
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The best amp that sounded just as good at low volumes and high volumes that I've ever used would have to be the Mark IV. It has the channel volume and master volume allowing you to really dial down the volume without really hurting your tone. Although, it'll run you over $1200...


Same with the Bugera 333XL...One of the reasons I bought it...you can turn up the master to 6 or 7 and use the channel volume to taste and sounds pretty darn good at low volumes.

VERY nice feature for a mid priced high-gain amp.
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Quote by fearo
Krank revolution jr.?

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#22
Alright, folks! Thank you for the advice, I learned a little. Think I´ll get a high watt amp and just keep it low. Like you said - as long as I like the tone it doesn´t matter really if I never crank it.
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Quote by HenkeH2
Alright, folks! Thank you for the advice, I learned a little. Think I´ll get a high watt amp and just keep it low. Like you said - as long as I like the tone it doesn´t matter really if I never crank it.


Also a added benefit of high wattage low volume playing is longer lasting tubes
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
Yeah, I was thinking of the Peavey Mini or Valveking. The VK is 50w but u can get a gained up disti sound at lower volumes.


As far as valvekings go, if you dont want to have to replace the tube, then dont get it. They are great after you do though.
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#26
I use my 6505 with the master volume a little under 2 most of the time, and it works out great. It's still pretty loud, but it's quiet enough, and I can turn it down even lower for real quiet practicing. Then when I haul it out to band practice I turn it up louder, having that extra head room is great. So if you love the tone and you can afford it, you should get a higher wattage amp if nothing in the low wattage range works for you. Also, if you get the head, look for a 2x12 cab instead of a 4x12, that makes a fairly good difference.
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there's a couple, but there aren't all that many. koch studiotone (not mega-high gain, but would do 80s thrash, say), krank revolution jr (haven't tried), ibanez valbee (haven't tried), brunetti something-or-other (again, haven't tried). EDIT: cornford, as mentioned above, would be worth a look too, but again aren't mega-high gain- more hard rock than metal, to my ears.

i think it's difficult, and expensive, to get high gainers in low wattages... a lot of the times you need the 100 watt power stage to get the headroom and tone for the metal stuff. if you liked the sound of the peavey at master volume 1, i'd just go with that, to be honest. it'll sound better cranked, but i'd rather get an amp which does the tone i want, even if i couldn't crank it, rather than get a more easily crankable amp which won't do the tone you want (as you've discovered with the laneys etc. you've tried).

i'd look into engl too, they sound pretty decent at low volumes (i've got one).

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#28
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As far as valvekings go, if you dont want to have to replace the tube, then dont get it. They are great after you do though.

I would say based on the topic of the thread.......no.
ODs, and EQs, and user settings and tricks will account for more tonal changes at low volume then a tube swap. I would change the speaker before tubes but again neither will affect tone at low volumes as much.

now the 212 at 100 watts may be a different story

neither comes with a master volume tho
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Personally...I think the whole idea of "tube tone at low volumes" is silly. The beauty of a tube amp is the feeling of a big chunk of air hitting you in the chest when you drop that palm muted 6-string G major chord. Hell, when I'm at my apartment practicing, I'm either playing acoustic, or playing my electric unplugged...sucking the life out of a JCM800 with a Powerbrake or trying to quietly push a Classic 30 with the gain dimed is just too fake to me.
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Personally...I think the whole idea of "tube tone at low volumes" is silly. The beauty of a tube amp is the feeling of a big chunk of air hitting you in the chest when you drop that palm muted 6-string G major chord. Hell, when I'm at my apartment practicing, I'm either playing acoustic, or playing my electric unplugged...sucking the life out of a JCM800 with a Powerbrake or trying to quietly push a Classic 30 with the gain dimed is just too fake to me.

good point!

krank jr rev pro sounds cool too.

i know the VK's tone is not the greatest to those that have played better amps but i swear i can get a gained up, hit your chest, harmonic'd, tonefull buzz with an OD and some dummy jacks on my Valveking. 50 wattr...

...at low volume. Vol 4, Gain 4, Lead channel, OD level 10, OD gain 0, etc.

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Personally...I think the whole idea of "tube tone at low volumes" is silly. The beauty of a tube amp is the feeling of a big chunk of air hitting you in the chest when you drop that palm muted 6-string G major chord. Hell, when I'm at my apartment practicing, I'm either playing acoustic, or playing my electric unplugged...sucking the life out of a JCM800 with a Powerbrake or trying to quietly push a Classic 30 with the gain dimed is just too fake to me.


it depends on the tone you're after, to be honest. for high gain, i'd rather have a high gain amp at low volume than a non-high gain amp at a higher volume. TS wants high gain...

don't get me wrong, a high gain amp at a decent volume would be better again, lol.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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Almost bought one for bedroom jamming, but opted for a live set up. Plays heavy stuff easily but still keeps amazingly clean. Did everyone forget about Mesa?


I mentioned the Mark IV.

Something tells me the studio 22 would be pretty loud with only a master volume and gain adjustments. I believe it would be called logarithmic not linear pots, as most 30-60 watt vintage based hotrodded amplifiers are, such as the Mesa F series and DC.

The Mesa Express might be a good option. I personally don't like the way it sounds, but it has a 5 watt option, which takes down the volume quite a bit.
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