#1
Im getting a Fender bassman 250w half stack with the 15'' speaker, i want to know if it will be heard with a 100w guitar amp and loud drummer
#2
certainly, if you guys/girls don't become deaf is another problem
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yeah. but you would probably be safer with more wattage. 300 should cut it.
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yeah. but you would probably be safer with more wattage. 300 should cut it.

STOP saying that, we are talking about 3 man practising!!!

not playing for 1000 people, jezus hey
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yes, but when you are talking about practising and good brands. I'd say with 100 you'll be fine.
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ok, im sticking with the 250w, i need to get the half stack for more mobility b/c my room is up stairs
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tbh an 80w would be enough in that scenario.
trust, especially if its a bass amp.

250w is almost too much, that would be sorta thing for playing medium sized gigs and such.
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yes, but when you are talking about practising and good brands. I'd say with 100 you'll be fine.


That is 100% NOT TRUE. I'm not sure what kinds of bands you've been playing in, but I play with a fairly quiet drummer and I'm pushing my 100 watt Rumble to 75-85%, which isn't even too good for and amp, to get over him. As soon as his guitarist brother comes into the room I just put it on full. And before you say something to my EQ, all I do is boost bass, boost low mids, cut high mids and highs. Boosting and cutting about 2dB. Yes, I could boost all of my EQs, get a butt ugly piece of **** sound and be heard, but I'd rather not be heard at all than sound awful.

Anyway, you'll get by with 250 watts, but the more the better, as always. 300 is the minimum I always throw out there.
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That is 100% NOT TRUE. I'm not sure what kinds of bands you've been playing in, but I play with a fairly quiet drummer and I'm pushing my 100 watt Rumble to 75-85%, which isn't even too good for and amp, to get over him. As soon as his guitarist brother comes into the room I just put it on full. And before you say something to my EQ, all I do is boost bass, boost low mids, cut high mids and highs. Boosting and cutting about 2dB. Yes, I could boost all of my EQs, get a butt ugly piece of **** sound and be heard, but I'd rather not be heard at all than sound awful.

Anyway, you'll get by with 250 watts, but the more the better, as always. 300 is the minimum I always throw out there.


you have serious issues then. sure there isn;'t something wrong with your amp?
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I also find it anooying with the 300 watt rule thing. i play my rumble 100 over my guitarist and drummer and singer at half way. To be honest i dont gig with it that much because alot of venues were i play already have a bass amp so i dont have to bring mine. yet most of them are combos at around200 to 250 watts and that is heard fine cranked up abit.
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you have serious issues then. sure there isn;'t something wrong with your amp?


Not that I can tell, not that I've ever gotten it serviced; I doubt it would be worth it. I don't know what to tell you, 100 watts isn't that loud. I can hear myself, usually, but the fact is everyone around me has to hear my sound too and that's where the trouble comes in. If I don't crank it my drummer can't hear it. I've never heard of anything that can happen to an amp that cuts the wattage before and I doubt that even it would have that problem. It sounds like 100 watts to me, that's just not that loud.
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What people here don't seem to understand is that when you practice or play, you tend to be near your amp.

Great, that means you can hear yourself. However, no one else in the room can hear you. Bass drops considerably over a low distance at low wattages.

I have to turn a 300W amp up to about halfway to get heard in a practice situation (4x10", Trace Elliot half stack) in the jazz band.

So in future, try standing on the other end of the room you're playing in, and adjust your volume from their. Because that's the loudest other people are going to hear you.

In a gigging situation, a venue of a mediumish size will hurt your ears if you play at the correct volume, unless it has FANTASTIC acoustics.

Bear in mind 100W is only twice as loud as 10W's.

Think about that...
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My amp cuts it at practice (MAG300 C115 - its not BRILLIANT on its own but suffices) without an extra cab, but for gigs I use the extra cab even if I think I won't need it just in case as I don't want to not be heard.

And the more watts the better, always been true and will never be false.

*EDIT* My band has two guitarists and 1 drummer so I have quite a bit to get over especially as the guitarists both crank there volume up ALOT and the drummer is kinda loud.
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#16
well i can be heard over my drummer with a 60w so yeah thats definitly enough



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I think with 250 you would be pretty comfortable with the loudness... But if your gigging maybe just try to get a step up of atleast 300.

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you have serious issues then. sure there isn;'t something wrong with your amp?
No he doesn't have a serious issue! You come into every thread claiming you only need 100 watts when everyone else disagrees with you because your wrong... 150 Watts up full with a drummer, 2 guitarists and a singer can barley cut it for me.
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I think with 250 you would be pretty comfortable with the loudness... But if your gigging maybe just try to get a step up of atleast 300.

No he doesn't have a serious issue! You come into every thread claiming you only need 100 watts when everyone else disagrees with you because your wrong... 150 Watts up full with a drummer, 2 guitarists and a singer can barley cut it for me.

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20 watts 50%

and don't try the "well your drummer is a girl then"excuse
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Not that I can tell, not that I've ever gotten it serviced; I doubt it would be worth it. I don't know what to tell you, 100 watts isn't that loud. I can hear myself, usually, but the fact is everyone around me has to hear my sound too and that's where the trouble comes in. If I don't crank it my drummer can't hear it. I've never heard of anything that can happen to an amp that cuts the wattage before and I doubt that even it would have that problem. It sounds like 100 watts to me, that's just not that loud.



100w is plenty. i have a 100w bass amp and turned up half way would litteraly shake my trailer that i ived in. ive also had the cops called from people that lived like 5 housed down.
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What people here don't seem to understand is that when you practice or play, you tend to be near your amp.

Great, that means you can hear yourself. However, no one else in the room can hear you. Bass drops considerably over a low distance at low wattages.

I have to turn a 300W amp up to about halfway to get heard in a practice situation (4x10", Trace Elliot half stack) in the jazz band.

So in future, try standing on the other end of the room you're playing in, and adjust your volume from their. Because that's the loudest other people are going to hear you.

I don't have a PHD in physics, but I'm almost sure this is wrong. Bass frequencies travel far FURTHER than higher frequencies. Notice that when you see a band live at a festival or in a park, the further you are, the more prominent the bass drum and bassline become. This is to do with the longer wavelength carried by low frequencies.

so, in a practice, the only reason you could be drowned out is because you are occupying the same, or a similar frequency to your guitarist. this means either he's got too much bass on his sound, or you've got too much treble and/or are playing high up the neck. personally, I do not notice a difference in volume from my amp when I'm between 1 and 5 metres away from it (normal distance) at all.

As an added thought, Roger Daltrey once commented on the fact that he always thought the bass in the who was too loud, but the for some reason no one else believed him. so he did some research and apparently found out that the place where the bass was loudest was around 10 metres (might have been a slightly different number to this) away, about the distance between the singer and john's bass stack.
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At lower levels of volume, bass frequencies will get lost quicker, due to absorption by materials around it.

If you're playing a festival, you should have no problem with bass :P.

What I'm saying is that you might be playing a 100W amp (which is only twice as loud as a 10W btw) and think you're loud enough, when you really aren't.
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At lower levels of volume, bass frequencies will get lost quicker, due to absorption by materials around it.

If you're playing a festival, you should have no problem with bass :P.

What I'm saying is that you might be playing a 100W amp (which is only twice as loud as a 10W btw) and think you're loud enough, when you really aren't.


twice as loud in decibels is a lot


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