#1
From an old Pick n' Grin video I downloaded a chord chart listing this chord:

e|----5----
b|----5----
g|----4----
d|----x----
a|----6----
e|----4----

as Ab13b5b9. EDIT: that's "A flat 13 flat 5 flat 9"

However, I have never heard of a '13b5b9' chord, and on another forum found the chord to be listed as Ab7#9.

To further **** my mind, I plugged Ab7#9 into a chord generator and found the fingering to be entirely different --- not to mention an entirely different sound.

Can any jazzers please help me out???
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Last edited by BufordTJustice at Sep 3, 2008,
#2
looks like g# major to me

Edit: woops my bad, i saw it as
4
4
5
x
6
4

Never heard of 13b5b9...
Asus2add11+ maybe?
Last edited by Lumberjackted11 at Sep 3, 2008,
#3
Quote by Lumberjackted11
looks like g# major to me

Edit: woops my bad, i saw it as
4
4
5
x
6
4

Never heard of 13b5b9...
Asus2add11+ maybe?


Well, a 13b5b9 is basically a dressed up dom7 chord.

Don't get bogged down with some of the more intense jazz chords...they aren't all made to be played in guitar, and are typically played on the piano where the added tones are easier to factor into the chord.
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#4
Looks like Abm6b9 to me. There's no Ebb that I can see in that chord.. so no idea where b5 is coming from.
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In a wise passiveness.
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#5
Well, not as confusable as this chord:

C13b15b17b19M21b23X25b27#30bb32#34

Go figure out the fingering...


EDIT:Anyways


e|----5----
b|----5----
g|----4----
d|----x----
a|----6----
e|----4----


Seems like an Abm6addb9 or something like that
Last edited by gonzaw at Sep 3, 2008,
#6
Quote by manmanster
Well, a 13b5b9 is basically a dressed up dom7 chord.

Don't get bogged down with some of the more intense jazz chords...they aren't all made to be played in guitar, and are typically played on the piano where the added tones are easier to factor into the chord.


oh! Just kidding, it builds like this:

Ab
Eb
B
E
A

Really weird chord! Actually a dressed up maj7 of sorts. Except theres no flat 5, its actually #5. And it aint b9 either...the B makes it a regular ninth. Its more like Ab#59...but wait. it does have the flat ninth. Damnit. This is confusing.

A 13b5b9 is built thusly:

Ab (r)
C (maj3)
D (b5)
Gb (b7)
A (b9)
F (13)
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#8
Why not an inverted Emaj11
say Emaj11/G#

if we took E as the root it's built

G#= (3rd)
D#= (Maj7)
B = (P5)
E = (R)
A = (11)

EDIT: As for 13b5b9 that would be an altered 13th chord. It would consist of a thirteenth chord 1 3 5 b7 9 13 with a flat 5 and flat 9 = 1 3 b5 b7 b9 13. If we pitch it at Ab we get
Ab = r
C = 3
Ebb = b5
Gb = b7
Bbb = b9
F = 13
Si
Last edited by 20Tigers at Sep 3, 2008,
#9
^^ Thank you for writing bb's and not just natural enharmonic notes.. and it definitely could be considered Emaj11/G#, depending on context.

Oh, and no one try and figure out Gonzaw's "chord".. it doesn't exist.

And BufordTJustice.. is there any context (like other chords) in the chord chart so we can make some real sense of this instead of just listing every chord that could be built with those notes? One thing is for sure.. this chord isn't a Ab13b5b9, though.
Nor less I deem that there are Powers
Which of themselves our minds impress;
That we can feed this mind of ours
In a wise passiveness.
--Wordsworth

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#10
I believe the chord was just mislabeled, because it is actually an Abm variant, which has the natural major of Cb. If however, you use the enharmonic key of G#...you get the natural major of B natural. Ergo:

G# 1
D# 5
A b9
E b6
B b3

Thus, I believe this is actually a G#mb9b13. A iii chord in an E major progression, maybe? Or could be used in a phrygian progression, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not very experienced with writing in the phrygian mode.

EDIT: Or, reading the post above it could easily be Emaj11/G# as well.
#11
Quote by 20Tigers
Why not an inverted Emaj11
say Emaj11/G#


That's what I thought when I looked at it.
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#12
e|----5---- A
b|----5---- Fb
g|----4---- Cb
d|----x----
a|----6---- Eb
e|----4---- Ab

Based off the Ab, Abminb6b

As has been said probably a lot more easily notated Emaj11 (1st Inversion)

Thursdae: Was it a mistake notating the chord Abmin6b9 or I thought it would be b6, thats what Fb is in Ab?

Or does the 6th come under the tonal classification of the triad?
#13
Quote by Galvanise69
Thursdae: Was it a mistake notating the chord Abmin6b9 or I thought it would be b6, thats what Fb is in Ab?

Or does the 6th come under the tonal classification of the triad?

No you are right Galvanise a m6 (minor 6) would be 1 b3 5 6.
you would have to denote b6 to flat the 6.
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Last edited by 20Tigers at Sep 4, 2008,
#14
Thanks for that.

I was pretty sure that the Seventh chord was the only thing covered by the harmonic "tag"

i.e Major7, Minor7 Dominant 7 ect.

The rest of the additions, 9th 11th 13th ect were as they are in the major.
#15
^^ Yeah you're right Galv. Thanks for pointing it out.
Nor less I deem that there are Powers
Which of themselves our minds impress;
That we can feed this mind of ours
In a wise passiveness.
--Wordsworth

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#16
Quote by Lumberjackted11
looks like g# major to me

Edit: woops my bad, i saw it as
4
4
5
x
6
4

Never heard of 13b5b9...
Asus2add11+ maybe?

It's an sus chord only if the third is removed. Otherwise you label 2 as 9 and 4 as 11. 13 is 6.
I'm all for the Emaj11/G# interpretation, but remember that a lot of the more complex jazz chords are enharmonic to other chords. Same pitches, but possibly enharmonically labelled and maybe rearranged, but same notes.
#17
Thats alright, just wasnt to sure what was going on.

Not to Hijack this thread, but I had another question for you, or anyone who cares to answer it.

1 3 #5 7

Up until today, I usually notated this chord quite a few ways.


G+7

Gmaj7+

ect.

We were working with a composition in Harmonic Minor today in theory class, and I got asked to write all the chords out, did so, but apparently those nomenclature are wrong.

In the first it is seen as a Dominant chord G+7

In the second its seen as augmenting the seventh i.e Gmaj7+

The only nomenclature she (my teacher) deemed right for a Augmented chord, was Maj7#5

Whats your oppinion on this.

I always tended to call them augmented, especially because of the Mode, Lydian Augmented, it has a Major 7, 3rd, #5 ect, thats simply called Augmented, so I figured to call 1 3 #5 7 X+ or X +7
#19
_maj7#5 would be right and acceptable. I don't see any reason to call it anything other than that.
Nor less I deem that there are Powers
Which of themselves our minds impress;
That we can feed this mind of ours
In a wise passiveness.
--Wordsworth

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#20
Quote by Thursdae
_maj7#5 would be right and acceptable. I don't see any reason to call it anything other than that.


Agreed, Gmaj7+ is a little ambiguous, and G+7 definitely refers to an augmented chord with a minor 7th.
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#22
Thanks all, Ill reffer to it as Gmaj7#5 from now on.

So Gmaj7+ Could be an alternate symbol.

G+7 Would reffer to G7#5?