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#1
do you guys use the built in distortion in your tube amps, or do you guys use the clean channel and stuff it with pedals?

because, i can now either get myself a number of pedals to help boost my tone and get a simple good amp in the future (either SS or all tube, i don't know), OR, save up now and get myself a really good tube amp...

and, i've got a couple of pedals lined up in my mind already...

Bad Monkey
Crunchbox or Little big muff pi
ISP Decimator noise reduction
Barber Tone press
DD7

well...it MIGHT be in order..but i'll never know...i might end up getting the DD7 first..oh well,what do you guys think?
#2
just get a good amp for your needs.

what's your budget and music style.
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#3
What amp is this? I'd use (I don't have a tube amp... ) an OD pedal over the amp distortion.
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#4
i use my amp distortion (marshall dsl50)... it can sometimes even be harmful to your amp's circuitry to distort the clean channel too much with signal-boosting distortion pedals.

just get an amp that has the distortion you need. also, good call on the DD7... fantastic pedal.
#7
The distortion on the lead channel in my tube amp sounds really good. I have hooked up some store bought pedals to see how they do but they seem to suck so much life out of the amp. I do use a turbo TS9 at times it works good, but its a TS9 one of those pedals made to go with tubes. The FET based pedals I have been experimenting with seem to work good with a tube amp but dont know any store bought pedals using FETs.
#8
The onboard distortion on both gain channels of my Bugera 333XL are incredible.

I've never played a tube amp that I thought needed a separate distortion stompbox. Maybe only as a boost, but never on the clean channel as the only distortion.
#9
I plan on using a metal muff with an orange tiny terror, simply because I need footswitchable gain (or channels) for the progressive style of music I play.
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#11
Yeah I am wondering this also, I am using a quite expensive amp but its not really suited for metal but the gain is set to 10 but its still not crunchy enough for stuff like sabbath. So thats why I was thinking of buying a pedal.
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#14
The problem I found with amps is that unless you are spending a hell of a lot of money it's very difficult to get an amp that will run effectively all the way from clean to very high gain. I like the distortions offered on my modified Marshall DSL401 but it won't go far enough for modern high gain so for that I will need to go with a pedal. I'm not sure which one to go for yet but it will probably either be a Tubescreamer to boost the lead channel or a Seymour Duncan Metal Mayhem to use on the clean channel.
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#15
Quote by NoobOnZone
but won't a pedal give me a nicer distortion as compared to a built in one?


well make sure you know the difference between distortion vs od.

but it'll give you a different distortion as compared to the "built in" one.

so it depends on ur music style and the amp you're talking about.

because in some cases the tube amp needs help. and in some cases it doesnt.
and in all cases it very much depends on if we are trying to get heavy tones, rock or od-ing cleans.
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#16
err, overdrive boosts tube amps? can someone re explain this stuff?

and...whats the diff between a normal overdrive pedal and a tube overdrive like the bad monkey? or is ''tube overdrive'' just a name?
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Quote by NoobOnZone
err, overdrive boosts tube amps? can someone re explain this stuff?

and...whats the diff between a normal overdrive pedal and a tube overdrive like the bad monkey? or is ''tube overdrive'' just a name?


Just a name. Same thing, unless they actually contain a tube (HT-Drive, etc.)
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Quote by NoobOnZone
err, overdrive boosts tube amps? can someone re explain this stuff?

and...whats the diff between a normal overdrive pedal and a tube overdrive like the bad monkey? or is ''tube overdrive'' just a name?

The distortion an overdrive pedal produces has similar characteristics to tube overdrive, therefore they can be used very effectively to enhance and complement the amps natural distortion.
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#20
I have to use both because I have a 100 watt Marshall, even with an attenuator most of the overdrive is through a pedal. Best tone ever though.
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#22
u cant not use the built in distortion on a tubey. it should be a federal crime.
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#23
Quote by NoobOnZone
do you guys use the built in distortion in your tube amps, or do you guys use the clean channel and stuff it with pedals?

because, i can now either get myself a number of pedals to help boost my tone and get a simple good amp in the future (either SS or all tube, i don't know), OR, save up now and get myself a really good tube amp...

and, i've got a couple of pedals lined up in my mind already...

Bad Monkey
Crunchbox or Little big muff pi
ISP Decimator noise reduction
Barber Tone press
DD7

well...it MIGHT be in order..but i'll never know...i might end up getting the DD7 first..oh well,what do you guys think?


Why would you wanna use a pedal on a good tube? Tubes have the most crunchy,most solid and loudest distortion. I just tried a Peavy one today with a '92 stratocaster. I loved it and played through that amp for bout 1/2 hour at Blackwood. Simply stunning tone. Anyway if you cant afford a good tube, and have trouble deciding with pedals, try the Line 6 POD series. Great and wide tone from that red thing. I simply fell in love with it at City Music. If you want you can PM me for more details. Otherwise, try looking at the Ibanez Tubescreamer.

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#25
Quote by Gordita Supreme
It's a crime to use pedals for distortion on a tube...


it's not. it depends on the pedal and the amp. i use a distortion pedal (an HBE big D) with my valve junior, as it doesn't get heavy enough on its own, even when cranked (and with the big D i can get pretty heavy even at low volumes). i would agree, though, that if you normally use distortion, to get an amp which does the distortion tone you want, more or less, out of the box if at all possible.

Quote by jj1565
well make sure you know the difference between distortion vs od.

but it'll give you a different distortion as compared to the "built in" one.

so it depends on ur music style and the amp you're talking about.

because in some cases the tube amp needs help. and in some cases it doesnt.
and in all cases it very much depends on if we are trying to get heavy tones, rock or od-ing cleans.


agreed. it depends on what tone you're after, what the amp is, etc. etc.
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#26
I always use the amp distortion (I'm not a fan of pedals)! I bought my Randall RH150G3 because of it's amazing distortion/sound and when I got my first EMG equipped guitar it really delievered nice distorted tones!

Randall would might be the choise for you?! It's not super expensive and it sounds really good. The RH150G3 is a hybrid amp, so you get the heavy distortion from solid state amps with the warmth of a tube amp. A full tube amp is still number 1, but the Randall is a cheap alternative to a full tube amp.

Sometime in the future I will buy an ENGL Invader, but for now my Randall does the trick!


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#27
Quote by stratdud39
well im getting a fender blues junior(unsure if its hot rod or not), and i NEED to use distortion pedals with it cuz it doesnt really have much on it.



The Blues Jr. is in the hot rod series but it's unlike the rest of the hot rods. It's amazing. And it does get a lot of overdrive when the preamp is cranked. I'm not sure what style of music you play or how much distortion you're looking for. just boost the already overdriven amp with a bad monkey or something
#28
Dude, of course we use the distortion. Just get a good tube amp with good distortion. Natural tube distortion > pedal any day of the week.
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#29
Quote by GuitarGuy X
Why would you wanna use a pedal on a good tube? Tubes have the most crunchy,most solid and loudest distortion. I just tried a Peavy one today with a '92 stratocaster. I loved it and played through that amp for bout 1/2 hour at Blackwood. Simply stunning tone. Anyway if you cant afford a good tube, and have trouble deciding with pedals, try the Line 6 POD series. Great and wide tone from that red thing. I simply fell in love with it at City Music. If you want you can PM me for more details. Otherwise, try looking at the Ibanez Tubescreamer.

Cheers!


i've already got myself a bad monkey...and you're from Singapore right? hehe,i was looking at blackwood for effects that day...

anyways...i think now,i'll just keep my bad monkey for a while...save up for the dd7, a chorus,probably boss ce-5...a barber tone press *i doupt you guys have heard of it?* and the MXR 6 band eq...

of course,with the saving up for a tube amp...recommendations on an average one
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#30
Sort of. I'm all about power amp overdrive, man. Oh yeah.

But I use the OD channel and a booster when I need to keep it down. Sounds fine to me.
#32
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It's a crime to use pedals for distortion on a tube...


agreed.

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#33
I bought my amps FOR the distortion.

I would use an OD pedal

but not a distortion pedal on a tube amp
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#34
Quote by whiteraven119
The onboard distortion on both gain channels of my Bugera 333XL are incredible.

I've never played a tube amp that I thought needed a separate distortion stompbox. Maybe only as a boost, but never on the clean channel as the only distortion.


this.

bugera is a very good sounding cheap wall paint stripper, if you get what i mean . look into it.
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#35
Quote by Punkstar_13

but not a distortion pedal on a tube amp



some distortion pedals sound good thru some tube amps.
you shouldnt limit yourself.

you can even use an OD thru a solid state.

it's all trial and error.
Jenneh

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#36
Quote by jj1565
some distortion pedals sound good thru some tube amps.
you shouldnt limit yourself.

you can even use an OD thru a solid state.

it's all trial and error.


Distortion and overdrive pedals as a boost are 2 totally different stories.
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#37
depends. if i only need one level of dist. for a song, i'll use my tube's dist. but if i need two levels, ill use my tube for the lower gain, and my pedals for higher gain
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#38
get an overdrive pedal, and use it to boost the dirty channel
#39
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this.

bugera is a very good sounding cheap wall paint stripper, if you get what i mean . look into it.


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