#1
So I'm trying to learn the Pull Harder On the Strings Of your martyr solo.


I got pretty much everything but apparently there are a lot of hammer ons and pull offs that give me trouble. I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to pick everything until I got fed up and actually noticed they were all hammer ons (this is only matt's part so far.)

But idk are those actually hammer ons? I've been trying to alternate/tremolo pick my way through it but it ain't workin.

I know Corey's part has got some triplets and I've been practicing those.
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#2
on faster music, hammer ons and pull offs are a must. you can try to pick them and you wont be wrong (it would be too fast for anyone to tell the difference anyways), but if you look at shredders like steve vai or paul gilbert, h/o and p/o are a must.
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Quote by TK1
on faster music, hammer ons and pull offs are a must. you can try to pick them and you wont be wrong (it would be too fast for anyone to tell the difference anyways), but if you look at shredders like steve vai or paul gilbert, h/o and p/o are a must.



I see. Maybe it's my amp (which I'm taking care of soon thank God)

Every time I try to hammer on with just my amp (ahem check out my profile or sig to see what I mean) you barely hear the sound other then the first picked note.

When I play with my metal muff they come out fine. Or what I think is fine at least lol.
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#4
Yeah I've noticed little amps don't do very well with hammer ons and pull offs. I tried out a 120w Spider II combo (2x12) and had the volume about half way (loud as hell) and the hammer ons just came out perfect. But my little Fender can't do it.
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Quote by `digitaL.braVo
Yeah I've noticed little amps don't do very well with hammer ons and pull offs. I tried out a 120w Spider II combo (2x12) and had the volume about half way (loud as hell) and the hammer ons just came out perfect. But my little Fender can't do it.

Well that's 'cause frontmans suck monkey asshole. It's easier on a somewhat decent amp-try it on a Peavey or something nice, it'll be much easier.
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#6
It's not a Frontman, but your opinion has be tagged and noted.

To round up this thread, better amp = easier/better hammer on and pull offs.

/thread
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Quote by TK1
on faster music, hammer ons and pull offs are a must. you can try to pick them and you wont be wrong (it would be too fast for anyone to tell the difference anyways), but if you look at shredders like steve vai or paul gilbert, h/o and p/o are a must.

steve vai doesn't play THAT fast.
And listen to technical difficulties, the only pulloffs in that song are the legato part, and a string skips.
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#8
**** that frontman is good. if you cant do hammerons on a frontman, you must be ****in retarded.

ok. you might not have enough gain or you may be simply not hammering hard enough.

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#9
Quote by kool98769
steve vai doesn't play THAT fast.
And listen to technical difficulties, the only pulloffs in that song are the legato part, and a string skips.


Wrong, Paul Gilbert's style relies heavily on legato mixed with alternate picking
and string skipping. The last lick in the song (the one that goes all the way up the fretboard) is half h/o half alternate picking. One of the main riffs in the song (the one at 1.09 minutes in) is legato with alternate picking.

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Quote by MulanoSG
Wrong, Paul Gilbert's style relies heavily on legato mixed with alternate picking
and string skipping. The last lick in the song (the one that goes all the way up the fretboard) is half h/o half alternate picking. One of the main riffs in the song (the one at 1.09 minutes in) is legato with alternate picking.

he said steve vai... paul gilbert does use them a lot.. steve vai not as much
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he said steve vai... paul gilbert does use them a lot.. steve vai not as much


But you said that in the song Technical Difficulties that were were only two parts containing pulloffs also watch For the Love of God and Lotus Feet, the shred solo and the main theme contain a shitload of legato

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IrWyZ0KZuk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CfEaSmdtGU

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#12
Quote by TK1
on faster music, hammer ons and pull offs are a must. you can try to pick them and you wont be wrong (it would be too fast for anyone to tell the difference anyways), but if you look at shredders like steve vai or paul gilbert, h/o and p/o are a must.


Please ignore this post, it's quite incorrect.

Hammer ons and pull offs are a must only so that you can get a different tone/sound from your lead playing, not to physically be able to play at high speed.
#13
Quote by MulanoSG
Wrong, Paul Gilbert's style relies heavily on legato mixed with alternate picking
and string skipping. The last lick in the song (the one that goes all the way up the fretboard) is half h/o half alternate picking. One of the main riffs in the song (the one at 1.09 minutes in) is legato with alternate picking.

right, from 1:09 till about 2:00 he uses legato, and then in the solo he uses a bunch of tapping and stuff.
My point was, the really intense parts of the song are all alternate/economy picked.

Oh yeah, and steve vai owns at legato.
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#14
Why the hell are we arguing about something like this, Paul Gilbert and Steve Vai both use Alternate picking and legato equally but technical difficulties has more alt picking in the faster passages. Now to help the TS, you probably dont have enough gain without the pedal. Hammer ons and pulloffs are NOT essential to playing fast and it is certainly not "cheating". It is a legitimate technique used by musicians the world over and assist in creating a different tone and feel to you playing, shred or otherwise.

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Quote by TheBodomBullet
So I'm trying to learn the Pull Harder On the Strings Of your martyr solo.


I got pretty much everything but apparently there are a lot of hammer ons and pull offs that give me trouble. I didn't realize I wasn't supposed to pick everything until I got fed up and actually noticed they were all hammer ons (this is only matt's part so far.)

But idk are those actually hammer ons? I've been trying to alternate/tremolo pick my way through it but it ain't workin.

I know Corey's part has got some triplets and I've been practicing those.


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#18
Quote by `digitaL.braVo
It's not a Frontman, but your opinion has be tagged and noted.

To round up this thread, better amp = easier/better hammer on and pull offs.

/thread

No, there is no Champ 15G. It's a frontman through and through.

But Anyway TS, yes, use hammer ons/pull offs.
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Quote by kool98769
right, from 1:09 till about 2:00 he uses legato, and then in the solo he uses a bunch of tapping and stuff.
My point was, the really intense parts of the song are all alternate/economy picked.

Oh yeah, and steve vai owns at legato.

Sorry but PG doesn't economy pick
If you like the sound of legato over picking then there's nothing wrong with it
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#21
Maybe it's technique?? i had the same problem few months into playing, practice legato on the clean channel (or an acoustic), make sure the notes ring out properly, your fingers get stronger that way, that's what I did and it helped loads. Anyway hammer ons and pull offs are NOT cheating.
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No, there is no Champ 15G. It's a frontman through and through.

But Anyway TS, yes, use hammer ons/pull offs.


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#24
no it isnt cheating. and on my shit amp its hard to hear the note all the time
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