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You can never change the future, here is why...

You know how people try to change the future by doing something possibly life-changing or stuff like that, instead of changing the future they are full-filling it.

Because the future is the future, whatever you to try change the future, the future you change it to becomes the future therefore that was the future in the first place because before doing future-changing activities changing the future is the future in your life so therefore it is impossible to change the future.

So if you don't understand it, here's an example:

We will call this guy John, now john is a guy who works at a hardware store. In his mind the current future is staying in the same occupation of the rest of his days.
Now this guy wants to change his future by trying to work harder to get a promotion, while he tries to change his habits and stuff, he tries to rearrange things on the shelf then a heavy object falls on his head and he suffers a cracked skull then dies .

See, the future that was originally in his mind got changed but the future itself stayed the same, the future predicted he would die in the first place.

So what do you guys think?
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If you're talking about music theory, then no.

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I also thought of that before the starter.


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Dr. Emmet Brown would disagree...
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there is no such thing as the future. it does not exist. theres no future, past, or time. its only the present. more present will be along shortly. please stand by.
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#10
einstein sais you cannot travel the speed of light (or faster). therefore you cannot travel through time. you can only slow it down or speed it up in relation to your being.

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i think of time as beginning with one point and branching off in an infinite number of variations every instant. every action dictates which path you follow.

for example blinking your eyes makes you follow one path but at the same time there's an alternate path where you didn't blink your eyes, and an alternate path for every single thing that could happen.

by this logic there are an infinite number of alternate universes all where slightly different things happened.
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#13
i comprehended this quite easily therefore destroying your "impossible to understand theory".

good day to you sir.
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lol

theres a paralel universe stuff, dunno wich specifically, says that there is 1 universe, 1 "reality" for each choice everyone makes on their life, going down to the minimal details and into infinite

you can see this as you change from one future to another, there is a "future" that has the future change

edit: ah and there is future, it is described as the short logical and thinkable outcome of an event, as in i eat too much water, the future is that i am going to pee soon.....dont confuse it with "destiny" or whatever other name it could have

edit2: "i eat too much water" was so epic that im not even going to fix it
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lol

theres a paralel universe stuff, dunno wich specifically, says that there is 1 universe, 1 "reality" for each choice everyone makes on their life, going down to the minimal details and into infinite

you can see this as you change from one future to another, there is a "future" that has the future change

Thanks, what I'm trying to say is the is the future then you do something changes the future then the future that was there in the first place was never the future
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lol

theres a paralel universe stuff, dunno wich specifically, says that there is 1 universe, 1 "reality" for each choice everyone makes on their life, going down to the minimal details and into infinite

you can see this as you change from one future to another, there is a "future" that has the future change

edit: ah and there is future, it is described as the short logical and thinkable outcome of an event, as in i eat too much water, the future is that i am going to pee soon.....dont confuse it with "destiny" or whatever other name it could have

edit2: "i eat too much water" was so epic that im not even going to fix it

that explained it much more clearly and concisely than i could ever have dreamed of doing.

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Thanks, what I'm trying to say is the is the future then you do something changes the future then the future that was there in the first place was never the future


but the difference being in this theory is that a separate future exists for every possible outcome of every situation.

there isn't just one future that changes, the other ones are still there they're just ones that you didn't follow.
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i see no proof that time exists in any form.
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i see no proof that time exists in any form.


there's a great new invention called a clock, can you believe they actually managed to measure time!?
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#19
You should tell that to Dr. Phil.

(In the future of course)
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there's a great new invention called a clock, can you believe they actually managed to measure time!?
a clock measures the rotation of the earth. a calender measures the movement of the earth. movement, not time.
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The past and future are non-existent places in time and space which will be unattainable for people to go between. The past and the future exist only in theory of that which has happened and that which will happen. The past is defined because the events have already occurred. The future is indefinite and will never be predicted beyond promises.
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there's a great new invention called a clock, can you believe they actually managed to measure time!?


What is this.....clock?
#23
Your theory is retarded because it implies "the future" is scripted/already planned in some form.
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a clock measures the rotation of the earth. a calender measures the movement of the earth. movement, not time.


so in your logic then i never actually learned to tell the time, i learned to measure the rotation of the earth? and to think i had it wrong all these years!

your logic is incredibly flawed.
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so in your logic then i never actually learned to tell the time, i learned to measure the rotation of the earth? and to think i had it wrong all these years!

your logic is incredibly flawed.
its a measurement of a nonexistant thing. there are people who chase bigfoot, that doesnt mean bigfoot exists.

there is only the present.
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Your theory is not that complex and is pretty damn easy to understand.
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its a measurement of a nonexistant thing. there are people who chase bigfoot, that doesnt mean bigfoot exists.

there is only the present.


so why do we call looking at a clock "telling the time"? it wouldn't be because a clock measures time would it? sure it may not be accurate to anything but it still measures the time until the next rotation of the earth (not best description but hopefully you get my meaning), which is a measurement of time. also our bodies are a measurement of time, we age over time. that is how your logic is flawed.

and just because bigfoot has not been seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (although that is a totally other argument). just because we haven't seen animals that live on the ocean floor doesn't mean they don't exist.
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so why do we call looking at a clock "telling the time"? it wouldn't be because a clock measures time would it? sure it may not be accurate to anything but it still measures the time until the next rotation of the earth (not best description but hopefully you get my meaning), which is a measurement of time. also our bodies are a measurement of time, we age over time. that is how your logic is flawed.

and just because bigfoot has not been seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (although that is a totally other argument). just because we haven't seen animals that live on the ocean floor doesn't mean they don't exist.
you arent telling time, you are finding out where the earth is pointing in relation to the sun. if its noon, your part ofthe earth is facing right at the sun. if its midnight, your part of the earth is facing directly away from the sun. one quarter of a rotation later, the sun will just rise where you are. its location, not time.

you dont age over time, you just age. you age in the present. time has nothing to do with it. again, aging is just a measurement of a location, of sorts. when you are concieved you are a single celled organism. when you are born, you come out of your mother. these are just "locations" along your arc of growth. at some point in your arc you stop growing and start to decay. at some point along your decay you die, and then continue to decay.

we only use time as a convienient way to relate roughly what part of the arc you are on. everyone knows what a 12 year old roughly looks like, and everyone knows what a 80 year old roughly looks like.

you are in the present. no one has ever left the present, and no one ever will, because there is nothing outside of it.
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i see no proof that time exists in any form.


physics

3 dimensions, no two objects can ocupy the same space at the same TIME, but if the time is diferent, they can ocupy the space

4th dimension, this is fact...try to really understand what a dimension is and youll get it


and of course there is no "time travel" and that there is no "i saw the future and im going to be X person" or "i wish i could go back and watch hendrix play"
"time" is not a recording machine
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physics

3 dimensions, no two objects can ocupy the same space at the same TIME, but if the time is diferent, they can ocupy the space

4th dimension, this is fact...try to really understand what a dimension is and youll get it


and of course there is no "time travel" and that there is no "i saw the future and im going to be X person" or "i wish i could go back and watch hendrix play"
"time" is not a recording machine

but time has nothing to do with your example. two objects cant occupy the same location in space, period. if you move the object an hour later, again they arent occupying the same space.

object A is in the present, and object B will be in the same location in the future. object B does not exist just because it will potentially in the future, because the future does not exist.

have there ever been any objective physics experiments that prove that time exists?
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I actually have a theory that time is the fourth dimension, and essentially all of our moves are already set in stone. Choice is an illusion, because no matter how hard we think we can choose, it's just our brain chemistry telling us that.

Example. You think you're making a choice, but you were going to do that anyway. Likewise, if you try to outsmart yourself and do the other thing, you were going to do the other thing in the first place, obviously, because you did it.

Get it?


EDIT: A theory similar to mine is in a book called slaughterhouse five. If you read between the lines of the story, it's pretty much just the paragraph above this one.
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but time has nothing to do with your example. two objects cant occupy the same location in space, period. if you move the object an hour later, again they arent occupying the same space.



exactly

you are looking at time in a diferent wrong way, try this definition
"Perhaps the most basic way in which the word dimension is used in literature is as a hyperbolic synonym for feature, attribute, aspect, or magnitude."

imagine the cartesian thingy from maths class, X Y and Z coordinates and + a 4rth coordinate called "time"
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