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#3
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I think communism is pretty cool, and a great idea, but why does it always end up turning out to be like China, North Korea, ect.?
I would love to live in a true communist society...
In b4 someone mixes failed socialism with communism, oops too late.

Well, in b4 close. This should go in the politics thread.
#5
Because we have way too many problems to put in place a system of equality and immaterialism- we can't successfully implement communism until we have a spiritual revolution.
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#6
sorry, but i would much rather get paid as much as i can instead of how much im allowed
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#7
communism sounds good but people are unconsciously power hungry and somebody will take charge. also there is no innovation in technology because companies go not need to compete. also less work will be done because people will have no incentive to work harder. communism is like time travel, it sounds cool, but is completely impossible and only the shit for brains still think it could work. oh and btw demonofthenight, you have the best icon ever. Offspring= awesome
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Because im Greedy, and i like money!
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#9
reall communism owns (the utopia I mean then)

russia ****ed up, no need to hate them and not smash those ****ing georgians!!
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Because we have way too many problems to put in place a system of equality and immaterialism- we can't successfully implement communism until we have a spiritual revolution.
What spirtualiality? Ask how many of your school friends actually believe in something. Discount anyone that says they're buddhist if they dont go to the temple and anyone that says they're wiccan if they dont actually worship nature. You'll find very few people actually hold a faith. Religion is dead.

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I'm a civil liberties man myself. Screw communism.
True communism allows the people to have complete freedom. There is no goverment in true communism, nor any reason for crime. It might sound like a pipe dream, but I'm sure our system would have sounded like a pipedream to the old germanic tribes.

Power corrupts.
Only if its not in the hands of the people, but in the leader. The people should have power. A good leader is lead by his/hers people more than he/she leads their people.
#11
Because most people are greedy and easily corruptible.

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What spirtualiality? Ask how many of your school friends actually believe in something. Discount anyone that says they're buddhist if they dont go to the temple and anyone that says they're wiccan if they dont actually worship nature. You'll find very few people actually hold a faith. Religion is dead.


Spirituality doesn't have to be pigeonholed into specific faiths, nor does one have to believe in something specific to pursue their spirituality.
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People are greedy
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reall communism owns (the utopia I mean then)

russia ****ed up, no need to hate them and not smash those ****ing georgians!!
Stupid ignorent west

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what about a utopia ... i would most likely kill myself before living in a utopia... The Giver was a great book, and it really just made me hate the idea even more...
#16
i think communism's a pretty cool guy.

socialist ideas work best in small communes.
#19
It lives on the idea that everyone is equal, which is bullshit. Some are smarter and more talented and deserve to make as much money as they can.
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#20
you want to live in a place where you have NO freedom of speech and where everything is dictated to you on a day to day basis and where everyone informs one another about what they do?


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#21
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What spirtualiality? Ask how many of your school friends actually believe in something. Discount anyone that says they're buddhist if they dont go to the temple and anyone that says they're wiccan if they dont actually worship nature. You'll find very few people actually hold a faith. Religion is dead.


I said spirituality, not religion.
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It lives on the idea that everyone is equal, which is bullshit. Some are smarter and more talented and deserve to make as much money as they can.
Eugh, please read some marxist papers. You only know what your american goverment has told you, which is just propaganda bullshit left over from the cold war.
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socialist ideas work best in small communes.
It would work in bigger countries if you had a less centralised goverment and a more federalist goverement.
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you want to live in a place where you have NO freedom of speech and where everything is dictated to you on a day to day basis and where everyone informs one another about what they do?


go ahead


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#25
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I think communism is pretty cool, and a great idea, but why does it always end up turning out to be like China, North Korea, ect.?
I would love to live in a true communist society...

#1 - everyone is NOT equal, some people are lazier than others, some are smarter, etc.

#2 - power corrupts

#3 - not enough resources to keep everyone happy

I'll give an example. In Star Trek, they sort of live in an utopia. But everyone aboard the ship, in the lunchroom, they have that particle creator, people can eat whatever they want, and it only costs a "credit" or something like that. And people can visit any place they want on "vacation" through the holodeck. There isn't things that "cost" more. When you have a communist government, the 1 country can't supply absolutely every resource, they have to import some, some are produced locally too. However there is a limited amount and in order to keep things "equal" there has to be subsidization by government. At some point, sacrifices have to be made. so that ends up in lower quality of living. In romania during communist times, you had to wait like 10 years on some waiting list to get a car as an example because the government was making decision how many cars to build and they had a set "quota".

Another example is how in communist times, due to the whole 'equality' thing, as a general culture thing, there was no special incentive for hard work as there was no real reward for it.

In the perfect utopia, it would be sort of communist, but we'd also have these unlimited resources (sort of) and have in several areas at least, equal options for everyone. In any communist rule that has been either in the past or today, not everyone was 'equal', some people were 'more equal' because they had better access to something or knew someone that could pull some strings and this is because of limited resources and options.

example: in true communism (as explained by Marx and Engels), everyone can choose to buy a ferrari if they want to, everyone can choose to eat nice food if they want to.
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It lives on the idea that everyone is equal, which is bullshit. Some are smarter and more talented and deserve to make as much money as they can.



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You do what you do, what your good at, not what you are told to do...
How old are you? Seriously? How politically aware are you? How many people have you met? Do you seriously think this is a good idea?
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It lives on the idea that everyone is equal, which is bullshit. Some are smarter and more talented and deserve to make as much money as they can.

It doesn't necessarily preach that everyone is equal, only that we should treat each other as equals and maintain that prospect.

I think we ought to be responsible for taking care of each other and get rid of this primitive dog-eat-dog attitude bullshit.

At the same time, I understand that the competitive attitude is essentially responsible for nearly everything we've done so far. But I think we've come far enough to the point where we can put some of that aside and work together for the greater good.
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How old are you? Seriously? How politically aware are you? How many people have you met? Do you seriously think this is a good idea?



I'm an age, and your a dinosaur... this doesn't to do with being politically aware, because it doesn't have much to do with this conversation, I have meat quite a few people, seeing as I move around every 1-3 years and am currently in Japan, and yes i think its a good idea.
#30
Okay, I'm sick of this fail. I wanna go to bed.

Feudalism is this. Aristocrats (people "appointed" by god) are in control of the common people.

They get owned by rich people to create...

Capitalism, which is where the goverement is run by rich people.

Who inevitably get owned by the "proletariat" (workers, lower class people, the basic majority)

These proletariat run their own state to suit their needs (and not the needs of the rich people who used to own buisnesses). This should be relatively democratic (I'm thinking in marxism, not in leninism).

People dont fight/steal/partake in criminal activity, because the common person is just as well looked after as the next person, as the majority of the crime is done by the poor and the desperate (who are poor/desperate because of the exploitation from the rich).

There are no wars, because (by marxism-leninism) wars are the product of a flawed aristocratic honour system or by "imperialist" (nations controlled by the greedy rich people) nations who are only trying to get richer.

Slowly, but surely, the people will see less and less of a need for a goverment (as theres no fighting/crime what so ever). So the goverement will slowly wither away and the people will be left completely free. This is communism.

I'm pretty damn sure marx never said anything about people being forced to be completely free (this is a stalinist/maoist approach to socialism). Nor did he say "kill anyone that has radical ideas."

Socialism is pretty inevitable. You can see a steady rate of change in goverements around the world to pass legilsation thats more inclined in the peoples favour than in the rich companies favour. These days, you (the regular person) could take on a major corporations. 80 years ago, you would have been fucked. This is socialism, we (our generation) will see the roots of it.

Dont force socialism, you'll only fail and create an oppressive society (soviet russia, communist china 10/15 years ago, north korea, cambodia and so on). Let history take its path.
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It doesn't necessarily preach that everyone is equal, only that we should treat each other as equals and maintain that prospect.

I think we ought to be responsible for taking care of each other and get rid of this primitive dog-eat-dog attitude bullshit.

At the same time, I understand that the competitive attitude is essentially responsible for nearly everything we've done so far. But I think we've come far enough to the point where we can put some of that aside and work together for the greater good.

I believe a competitive attitude is the only way for an economy to succeed. Without competition there is no drive to work harder.
I think that treating everyone equal is good, but our own capitalist country is working towards that as well without sacrificing people's rights to move up as far as they want in life.
It's not my job to take care of everyone. I honestly don't care if some junkie overdoses and needs medical attention at the expense of everyone else. I think if you make stupid choices, you deserve the consequences. I also think if you make good choices, you deserve the rewards.
Everyone is an individual. We aren't all the same. If I work my ass off trying to market something and it succeeds I better get a hell of a lot richer than all of the assholes who work some part time job and slack off all day, or the ones who don't work at all and just abuse drugs or alcohol.
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I believe a competitive attitude is the only way for an economy to succeed. Without competition there is no drive to work harder.
I think that treating everyone equal is good, but our own capitalist country is working towards that as well without sacrificing people's rights to move up as far as they want in life.
It's not my job to take care of everyone. I honestly don't care if some junkie overdoses and needs medical attention at the expense of everyone else. I think if you make stupid choices, you deserve the consequences. I also think if you make good choices, you deserve the rewards.
Everyone is an individual. We aren't all the same. If I work my ass off trying to market something and it succeeds I better get a hell of a lot richer than all of the assholes who work some part time job and slack off all day, or the ones who don't work at all and just abuse drugs or alcohol.

That's exactly what I was talking about in my last point.

And this is why I said socialist ideas work best in small communes, because there is a closer connection between the people and a bigger sense of trust.

Even still, I don't think everyone should earn the same amount of money; I just think the differences shouldn't be so substantial. A professional athlete should not be making 1000x more for playing a game than some poor Joe who works 60 hours a week to feed his family.
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Dont force socialism, you'll only fail and create an oppressive society (soviet russia, communist china 10/15 years ago, north korea, cambodia and so on). Let history take its path.

Yes and I agree with you. For the most part, at the moment, the "true" communism explained by Marx and Engels is not achievable, and certainly not "force-able". Soviet Russia, China, the communist block in eastern europe, these were all "forced" communisms that really ended up being what some people call "Stalinism" since absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I believe a competitive attitude is the only way for an economy to succeed. Without competition there is no drive to work harder.
What about altruism?

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I think that treating everyone equal is good, but our own capitalist country is working towards that as well without sacrificing people's rights to move up as far as they want in life.
It's not my job to take care of everyone. I honestly don't care if some junkie overdoses and needs medical attention at the expense of everyone else. I think if you make stupid choices, you deserve the consequences. I also think if you make good choices, you deserve the rewards.
Everyone is an individual. We aren't all the same. If I work my ass off trying to market something and it succeeds I better get a hell of a lot richer than all of the assholes who work some part time job and slack off all day, or the ones who don't work at all and just abuse drugs or alcohol.
Talking about treating people as equals, do you really think you would live any differently if you were in these poor peoples exact postition? If your family was poor, as your fathers boss only paid him 10 dollars an hour, and the goverment let them do it. Wouldnt you steal for your family? Or steal to retain some equality to those rich bastards who paid your father only 10 dollars an hour? Wouldnt you start pot to try and make it all disappear? Wouldnt you loose all faith in the system and any reason to work for it? If you had a real shitty education, could you really be blamed for a shitty job?

I might be a middle-classed, teen whos pretty fucken spoilt when compared to some of these people, but I know that every shitty decision they've made, I'd do the exact same in their postition. I dont trick myself otherwise.
#35
There's some impressive naivety here. It's totally unworkable, and if you can't see that then I worry about your judgement.
#36
We did about this in RE. It sounds like a good idea, but if everyone got paid the same the people who did more work than others would get jelous and would not end well
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What about altruism?

Most people will never adopt a true altruistic attitude. It works on smaller levels - i.e. manners.
#38
i hate communism.

won't go any further coz i'll end up being very unpopular.
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i hate communism.

won't go any further coz i'll end up being very unpopular.

No you won't. You're just using that as an excuse because you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

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Prove me wrong and try contributing to the thread, please.
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There's some impressive naivety here. It's totally unworkable, and if you can't see that then I worry about your judgement.
So far your only arguments are that "communism means having no civil liberties" (totally unfounded, stalinism=/=communism) and that you think that because you're older and have "met" more people you think your more "politically aware" than the rest of us. You've proven to be pretentious and that you have no idea.

A retard at 14 is just as retarded as a retard at 40.
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