#1
I recently got a Xiphos, and I ****ing hate it. It's impossible to tune properly, even with the fine tuners. So I'm returning it and getting my 600$ back so I can get another guitar.. What should I get? I'm looking for a 600$ neck-thru guitar that can shred.. Looking at the Schecter C-1 Hellraiser, but, I'm not sure they'll give me that (seeing as it's 700$.) Any suggestions anybody?
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Quote by poidaobi;8303134
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#2
Have you tried making sure the trem is setup right and you are tuning it correctly. You can either tune it high to low and over tune it slightly until you get to the Low E, or you can tune it in an order I go by:

1st
3rd
4th
2nd
5th
6th
#3
dude, schecters aren't going to be much better. Anything with a tremolo around that price usually is a doube edged sword.
#4
The Hellraisers aren't neck-thru. They're set neck made to look and feel neck-thru.
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#5
like CJRocker, i also think you might have been just being a noob
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#6
The only company that comes to mind for a neck-through at that price is BC Rich.

Why is neck-through so important to you? That really is limiting your options. Just get something without a floyd and it will be much easier to tune.
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#7
Quote by nan0
dude, schecters aren't going to be much better. Anything with a tremolo around that price usually is a doube edged sword.

But the Hellraisers do have OFRs. Anything with a floating trem is a double-edged sword, but the OFR is one of (if not) the best.
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#8
Most likely, it's my first real tremolo guitar.. I don't know how to ****ing set it up right. I really love how the guitar plays, but good lord I can't stand the tuning problem.. I tried messing with the springs in the back, but eventually gave up. I don't know how it should be set up, I really don't want to get rid of this guitar, seeing as I got it for 600$ (was priced at 1000$), and I love how it plays.. If anybody can help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it.
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Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
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#9
Quote by thefrigginbob
The only company that comes to mind for a neck-through at that price is BC Rich.

Why is neck-through so important to you? That really is limiting your options. Just get something without a floyd and it will be much easier to tune.


Like what? What could be the best possible 600$ shred guitar to get?
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Quote by poidaobi;8303134
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#11
Unless you're using the trem extensively, a FR will drive you insane and isn't worth the effort or extra $.

Other than that, the schecters are nice that have set bridges, but make sure you get one with a slim neck.... I had a blackjack with a nice one and a hellraiser with a fatty...
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#12
Quote by tasty licks
Unless you're using the trem extensively, a FR will drive you insane and isn't worth the effort or extra $.

Other than that, the schecters are nice that have set bridges, but make sure you get one with a slim neck.... I had a blackjack with a nice one and a hellraiser with a fatty...

might take a look at the blackjacks, then. you had a blackjack? how was it?
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1977 Gibson SG

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Quote by poidaobi;8303134
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#13
I got my Ibanez RGT for around $600 (or maybe $699, I don't remember) and it is by far my favorite of all the guitars I have ever played, even my $1500 Carvin.

The Schecter C1s are very different from the Ibanez RGs but I love them too, I've never owned a Schecter but I came close to buying a C1 Blackjack when I thought EMGs were right for me, I later decided they weren't and most other Schecters in this price range with passive pickups came with the Seymour Duncan 59/JB set which I already had in my Explorer so I decided to look elsewhere and eventually got my Ibanez but to be honest I would have been happy with either, the C1 isn't as fast for me but is just as comfortable and sounds great.
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#14
It was an awesome guitar. Best sustain I've ever heard. I never should have sold it. I've had a few other schecters though and its a little bit hit and miss. Make sure you check out the neck to make sure its not one of the fat ones, because I'm not sure which models have them and which dont.
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#15
I'll see if they even have them instock, might take a look at the Ibanez too. Though, seeing as the Ibanez I have now (Xiphos) was a piece of shit, I'm a little hesitant.. heh.
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Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
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#16
A steinberger Spirit is neck-through, lockable tremolo, and are quite forgiving. The fret access is unparrelled but the neck might be a bit thick for some.
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#17
Well first of all, if you like the guitar then get the trem set up correctly. Its not very hard, look at the floyd rose setup sticky here.

But if you don't want to do that then you might want to look at the guitar i have for sale. https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=955562
Its neck through, and is great for shred and metal, and has great pickups.
#18
Quote by yoyodunno
Well first of all, if you like the guitar then get the trem set up correctly. Its not very hard, look at the floyd rose setup sticky here.

But if you don't want to do that then you might want to look at the guitar i have for sale. https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=955562
Its neck through, and is great for shred and metal, and has great pickups.

How much were you thinking for it? By reading this thread I'm pretty sure you already know my budget :P
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1977 Gibson SG

Line 6 Toneport UX2

Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#19
if you're going for something with a trem that you will use a lot, then maybe a lower end Ibanez S series? Just replace the pickups once you get it.

They're bolt-ons, but the ZR trem IMO beats out any Floyd Rose trem.
#20
Quote by w0nk001
How much were you thinking for it? By reading this thread I'm pretty sure you already know my budget :P


Haha yeah. Well to go with your budget, how about 575 shipped and paypaled? It is prolly worth a bit more but I just really want to get it sold so I can try and get a les paul. And did you read all the details?
#21
Yeah, read a bit on it. I'll think about it and probably let you know tomorrow after lurking at Guitar Center. Got AIM or MSN, or anything?
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1977 Gibson SG

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Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#24
Well, I blocked the trem off, and it fits perfectly and fixes my tuning problem, BUT.. The Action has to be super high in order to play the first frets on every string without them sounding dead.. Um, any idea on how to adjust my trem for low action while still being able to ****ing play?
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1977 Gibson SG

Line 6 Toneport UX2

Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#25
Have you checked your intonation?

And to change the action you need to adjust the poles that the knife edge sits on. But you don't want to adjust it while there is string tension because it could mess up the knife edges.
#26
Are there any pictures I can use for reference? I don't know exactly what the knife edge/poles are, or where they are
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Line 6 Toneport UX2

Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#28
blah, screw it. I'll just check out the Schecters, and see if they have the fixed bridge one in stock. If not, I'll probably get your guitar, yoyodunno.
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1977 Gibson SG

Line 6 Toneport UX2

Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#29
Quote by tasty licks
Unless you're using the trem extensively, a FR will drive you insane and isn't worth the effort or extra $.

Other than that, the schecters are nice that have set bridges, but make sure you get one with a slim neck.... I had a blackjack with a nice one and a hellraiser with a fatty...

actually, the blackjacks have the same neck parameters as hellraisers.

But yeah get a C-1 blackjack fr (ofr and SD pickups)
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#30
if anything i'd get it without the FR, i'm cursed when it comes to guitars with trems. or just retarded. either way, i don't want a trem =/
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1977 Gibson SG

Line 6 Toneport UX2

Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#31
#32
Quote by w0nk001
Like what? What could be the best possible 600$ shred guitar to get?


if you REALLY want that trem, get an Ibanez S series with the ZR bridge, one of the better in the price class...

if not, try an ibanez Xiphos string thru body if you like the xiphos, or get a neck-thru S series.... (can you tell, I like ibanez? :p)

dunno bout the schecter, never played it

Lower end ESP's.... dunno, if you think they're comfortable enough, why not?

only tip I can give ya, is play before you buy :P
#33
Quote by ManInAClownSuit
But the Hellraisers do have OFRs. Anything with a floating trem is a double-edged sword, but the OFR is one of (if not) the best.

They dont have Schaller OFR's. They come with chinese or korean made Floyds.
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#34
Quote by Slicer666
if you REALLY want that trem, get an Ibanez S series with the ZR bridge, one of the better in the price class...

if not, try an ibanez Xiphos string thru body if you like the xiphos, or get a neck-thru S series.... (can you tell, I like ibanez? :p)

dunno bout the schecter, never played it

Lower end ESP's.... dunno, if you think they're comfortable enough, why not?

only tip I can give ya, is play before you buy :P

I don't want a trem, though. Blah XD
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1977 Gibson SG

Line 6 Toneport UX2

Peavey EVH 5150

Quote by poidaobi;8303134
Fiddy Juan Fiddy
Dual Rectumfrier Too Chaaan

Had an ENGRUL Powerlawl and a Fraymus Co-Bra.
#35
Quote by w0nk001
I don't want a trem, though. Blah XD



I think you just need to learn how to set one up properly. My Ibanez was much cheaper than your Xiphos, and because I know how to set it up, it never goes out of tune. Even with my extreme wankage.....


I think it would be a pain in the ass, and just totally not worth it to sell. That's just me though.


The Xiphos guitars play nicely. Just keep it.
#36
Schecter C-1 Hellraiser isn't neck-thru. Classic and Hollywood are but they come as hardtail.
I would recommend an Ibanez RGT42DXFM. The trem will serve you well if properly maintained.
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