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#1
Kurt Cobain could write a song, Yngwie sure as hell could play, but both are renowned for lacking in the skill of the other...

so which do you prefer in your music, emotion or virtuosity?

and no both is NOT an option, i know we all love both both (Rhoads, Satch, Vai...sigh)

this is to ask which you value more if your house was on fire and you could save the last copies (somehow, lol) of Nirvana's or Yngwie Malmsteem's back catalogue...

if you could have one in your music but not the other...

so

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#2
Both.

EDIT: Also, I dislike both of those people/bands. So neither would be my answer to your second question.
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I prefer listening to songs than listening to technical ability.
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ty jampan, first to give a mature answer

and second replier, WHATEVER you listen to, they will more likely than not be better at songwriting than technical ability or vice versa...
#7
Emotion. It is a prospect well needed and lacking in music currently.
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#8
Yeah Emotion when i listen to music.
But when we are making some ourselves, some skill would also be nice xD
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emotion, people who just play guitar really fast sound generic and boring to me.
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#10
blues music vs. dragonforce.


the answer is clear.
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#12
To posters #2 and #3 stop trying to be the awkward "I'm too special to answer your question" tits.

He gave you you an example with a question. If you don't like the question, simply ****ing change the example to something that matches your childish needs.

For me it's emotion. I could develop my skill over time.
#13
emotion, for sure.

exception: dashboard confessional. chris carabba is waaaay to whiny
#14
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chris carabba is waaaay to whiny

he's nothing compared to that guy who does secondhand serenade, though
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ty jampan, first to give a mature answer

and second replier, WHATEVER you listen to, they will more likely than not be better at songwriting than technical ability or vice versa...


i dont know about that. there are plenty of artists that are very good songwriters and also very good musicians

also, what about mult-instrumentalists? i have so much more respect for artists who can do more than just play guitar/keyboard/whatever/etc.
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To posters #2 and #3 stop trying to be the awkward "I'm too special to answer your question" tits.

He gave you you an example with a question. If you don't like the question, simply ****ing change the example to something that matches your childish needs.

For me it's emotion. I could develop my skill over time.



yeah

same kind of guys that kill good threads all the time around here...

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anyone who can write a song like heart shaped box...so much emotion...is a good songwriter imo.

another thing; songwriting ability is subjective, while virtuosity isn't... agree? interesting
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#19
Well, it's really both for me.

Songwriting skill is as important as technical skill because it makes a use for technicality. Technicality is important because sometimes you need good technique to get the proper emotion through a song.

In music as I hear it, chords set the general feel of the song. Then, lyrics make it a little more specific. Then, the lead notes allow the emotions that the writers feel to bleed through more specifically. I don't think "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" would have been nearly as good without Clapton's lead work, or George Harrison's vocals.

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#20
everyone has emotions

not everyone can shred (i cant)
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he's nothing compared to that guy who does secondhand serenade, though


i was actually thinking of him, too, but that would have opened up a flood of whiny bands. they're both pretty much the same to me. lolz
#22
songwriting skills combined with the amount of technique needed to play what you want to=win
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#25
emotion here. you can see some of the john frusciente's solos... they arent technically hard... but there is just so much emotion in them
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#26
Jeff Buckley did both.

And I'm a songwriter already, though I constantly wish i was a better guitarist. I'm even tempted to start listening to and learning Metal songs to become quicker and more profficient.
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+1 >]

By ug starndards, emotion = slow bends.

Also, if you're going to compare the two, I'd say yngwie is a more proficient song writer and has way better technique.
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#28
emotion, no contest.
i mean, a good song, be it instrumental or with lyrics and shit is something that makes you feel what the composer is feeling at the time...
i mean look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ZPMScX9 life by the drop-stevie ray vaughan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DzRb4DHGw always with me, always with you-joe satriani
two preety good examples by respected musicians of emotional playing.
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#29
I would prefer something well-written(well-written to me, that is) over something that purely demonstrates technical skill. I don't know which of those artists I'd pick as I'm not huge on either.
#30
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I prefer listening to songs than listening to technical ability.

Same here.

The other day i had a guy come in to work and saw that i had a guitar with me and he asked me what i listened to. He then asked if i liked "that guy that's really good." I replied, "eh?" until he tried to say "malmsteem."

I was like, "eh... don't like him. guy can play fast and nothing else. no emotion or anything; it was embarassing playing next to vai and satriani."

He gave me the weirdest look ever and left.
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#31
Kurt Cobain could not write songs.

Vivaldi could write fucking songs, Bach could write songs, Scarlatti could write songs. Kurt Cobain could not write songs.
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#32
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Same here.

The other day i had a guy come in to work and saw that i had a guitar with me and he asked me what i listened to. He then asked if i liked "that guy that's really good." I replied, "eh?" until he tried to say "malmsteem."

I was like, "eh... don't like him. guy can play fast and nothing else. no emotion or anything; it was embarassing playing next to vai and satriani."

He gave me the weirdest look ever and left.



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Kurt Cobain could not write songs.

Vivaldi could write fucking songs, Bach could write songs, Scarlatti could write songs. Kurt Cobain could not write songs.

Ah, but as mentioned before, that is subjective. I'd rather listen to Nirvana because it evokes whatever kurt felt when writing and performing his songs instead of listening to Malmsteem.

Now, i'm not exactly dissing on Yngwie, but so far i haven't heard something from him that made me sad, happy, etc. I respect his technical abilities, but that's as much as he's getting from me. Kurt on the other hand wasn't the best guitarist, or singer, or even songwriter to an extent... but he sure did manage to get ppl to connect to his music.

I know some immature UGers will flame me and say that i chose that option because of my avatar but i could care less (actually i hardly ever listen to nirvana any more, the only reason why i still have the avatar is because they got me into rock music and playing guitar when i was a young teenager).

Maybe a better example would've been Satriani and Malmsteem. Satriani is without a doubt a good guitarist but I think Malmsteem is better than him at it; However, he manages to express himself way better. Out of those, Joe gets my vote.

Is that a little more valid?



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#36
Terrible thread. I like both artists but the truth is Malmsteen is a better song writer and plays with a lot more feeling than Kurt Cobain

edit: now listen to this and tell me that he can't write songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRvJrYhgd0

stop bashing on music you don't fucking listen to
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#37
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Terrible thread. I like both artists but the truth is Malmsteen is a better song writer and plays with a lot more feeling than Kurt Cobain

edit: now listen to this and tell me that he can't write songs with emotion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRvJrYhgd0

My thoughts exactly, I hate how everyone jumps on the bandwagon of malmsteen hate.
#38
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Terrible thread. I like both artists but the truth is Malmsteen is a better song writer and plays with a lot more feeling than Kurt Cobain

edit: now listen to this and tell me that he can't write songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TRvJrYhgd0

stop bashing on music you don't fucking listen to

Beautiful song...

..up until he starts all the technical guitar wankering. Sorry, but every most of his songs bore me once he starts soloing. I was watching Evil Eye right before this and loved it... until once again, he started the wankering.

EDIT: I don't know... i'm watching vids of him and it seems like he lost that "spark" over time.

*sadness*
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#39
Since when was it impossible to have both?

Emotion is merely the listeners perception anyway - what goes for one person might not for another
#40
Virtuosity, by far. Alos, people get different emotions oout of different music, who's to say technical music isn't emotional? I get an emotional respone out of the music I listen to, which is generally very technical, if you don't then it's your loss, not the artist's fault.

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Since when was it impossible to have both?

Emotion is merely the listeners perception anyway - what goes for one person might not for another


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