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#1
This is a really sad thing.. I know I maybe old but I couldn't find this anywhere and well, I wanted to warn the people who didn't know about it..

Recently, there was a massacre in Orissa, India where Hindu mobs are trying to burn down churches..

http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idINIndia-35262820080901
http://orissaburning.blogspot.com
http://www.gulfnews.com/World/India/10240754.html

Well, it was just the start but now, the anti-Christian riots are happening everywhere in India. It's a really sad sight to see this happening.

To quote someone who said:
"We will get the whole Hindu nation together and whoever stands against the rights of Hindus, we will finish them... India has always been, is and forever will be a Hindu nation."


EDIT: Okay the reason why the Hindus are burning the churches is clear. They don't want people to convert from Hinduism to Christianity especially to the New Life churches cause it seems that they pay money for people to convert...

EDIT 2: The real spark of this massacre is because of some guy who killed a Hindu part politician. Doesnt this seem familiar? [remember how World War I started...]

Discuss, please!
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Does this remind anyone of Shogun: Total War?
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but really, religions need to die.


The fact is that idol worshippers trying to burn down Christianity is totally not cool. I mean, we dont burn down the Shiv god who has a chakra [like a razor knife] and a person's head...

And the fact that 13th Sep was supposed to be a fasting day for the memorial of the 300 Christians who were burnt alive...
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#9
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Meh, the "fighting over whose imaginary friend is better" quote works well here.


I don't know if i'd put it that way, but I definitely am sick of hearing who is blowing up whom


could once, just once, there be a news story about 2 religions actually coexisting?


it's days like this I'm glad I have no faith.
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#10
When did the Hindus lose it? They always seemed like such nice guys...
#13
I think people just like hurting each other, religion is a good excuse. But religion is not the reason imo
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#14
"Medicine, electronic communications, space travel, genetic manipulation ... these are the miracles about which we now tell our children. These are the miracles we herald as proof that science will bring us the answers. The ancient stories of immaculate conceptions, burning bushes, and parting seas are no longer relevant. God has become obsolete. Science has won the battle. We concede."

A rustle of confusion and bewilderment swept through the chapel. "But science's victory," the camerlengo added, his voice intensifying, "has cost every one of

us. And it has cost us deeply."

Silence.

"Science may have alleviated the miseries of disease and drudgery and provided an array of gadgetry for our entertainment and convenience, but it has left us in a world without wonder. Our sunsets have been reduced to wavelengths and frequencies. The complexities of the universe have been shredded into mathematical equations. Even our self-worth as human beings has been destroyed. Science proclaims that Planet Earth and its inhabitants are a meaningless speck in the grand scheme. A cosmic accident." He paused. "Even the technology that promises to unite us, divides us. Each of us is now electronically connected to the globe, and yet we feel utterly alone. We are bombarded with violence, division, fracture, and betrayal. Skepticism has become a virtue. Cynicism and demand for proof has become enlightened thought. Is it any wonder that humans now feel more depressed and defeated than they have at any point in human history? Does science hold anything sacred? Science looks for answers by probing our unborn fetuses. Science even presumes to rearrange our own DNA. It shatters God's world into smaller and smaller pieces in quest of meaning ... and all it finds is more questions."

…"The ancient war between science and religion is over," the camerlengo said. "You have won. But you have not won fairly. You have not won by providing answers. You have won by so radically reorienting our society that the truths we once saw as signposts now seem inapplicable. Religion cannot keep up. Scientific growth is exponential. It feeds on itself like a virus. Every new breakthrough opens doors for new breakthroughs. Mankind took thousands of years to progress from the wheel to the car. Yet only decades from the car into space. Now we measure scientific progress in weeks. We are spinning out of control. The rift between us grows deeper and deeper, and as religion is left behind, people find themselves in a spiritual void. We cry out for meaning. And believe me, we do cry out. We see UFOs, engage in channeling, spirit contact, out-of-body experiences, mindquests-all these eccentric ideas have a scientific veneer, but they are unashamedly irrational. They are the desperate cry of the modern soul, lonely and tormented, crippled by its own enlightenment and its inability to accept meaning in anything removed from technology."

Mortati could feel himself leaning forward in his seat. He and the other cardinals and people around the world were hanging on this priest's every utterance. The camerlengo spoke with no rhetoric or vitriol. No references to scripture or Jesus Christ. He spoke in modern terms, unadorned and pure. Somehow, as though the words were flowing from God himself, he spoke the modern language ... delivering the ancient message. In that moment, Mortati saw one of the reasons the late Pope held this young man so dear. In a world of apathy, cynicism, and technological deification, men like the camerlengo, realists who could speak to our souls like this man just had, were the church's only hope.

The camerlengo was talking more forcefully now. "Science, you say, will save us. Science, I say, has destroyed us. Since the days of Galileo, the church has tried to slow the relentless march of science, sometimes with misguided means, but always with benevolent intention. Even so, the temptations are too great for man to resist. I warn you, look around yourselves. The promises of science have not been kept. Promises of efficiency and simplicity have bred nothing but pollution and chaos. We are a fractured and frantic species . . . moving down a path of destruction."

The camerlengo paused a long moment and then sharpened his eyes on the camera.

"Who is this God science? Who is the God who offers his people power but no moral framework to tell you how to use that power? What kind of God gives a child fire but does not warn the child of its dangers? The language of science comes with no signposts about good and bad. Science textbooks tell us how to create a nuclear reaction, and yet they contain no chapter asking us if it is a good or a bad idea.

"To science, I say this. The church is tired. We are exhausted from trying to be your signposts. Our resources are drying up from our campaign to be the voice of balance as you plow blindly on in your quest for smaller chips and larger profits. We ask not why you will not govern yourselves, but how can you? Your world moves so fast that if you stop even for an instant to consider the implications of your actions, someone more efficient will whip past you in a blur. So you move on. You proliferate weapons of mass destruction, but it is the Pope who travels the world beseeching leaders to use restraint. You clone living creatures, but it is the church reminding us to consider the moral implications of our actions. You encourage people to interact on phones, video screens, and computers, but it is the church who opens its doors and reminds us to commune in person as we were meant to do. You even murder unborn babies in the name of research that will save lives. Again, it is the church who points out the fallacy of this reasoning. "And all the while, you proclaim the church is ignorant. But who is more ignorant? The man who cannot define lightning, or the man who does not respect its awesome power? This church is reaching out to you. Reaching out to everyone. And yet the more we reach, the more you push us away. Show me proof there is a God, you say. I say use your telescopes to look to the heavens, and tell me how there could not be a God!"

The camerlengo had tears in his eyes now. "You ask what does God look like. I say, where did that question come from? The answers are one and the same. Do you not see God in your science? How can you miss Him! You proclaim that even the slightest change in the force of gravity or the weight of an atom would have rendered our universe a lifeless mist rather than our magnificent sea of heavenly bodies, and yet you fail to see God's hand in this? Is it really so much easier to believe that we simply chose the right card from a deck of billions? Have we become so spiritually bankrupt that we would rather believe in mathematical impossibility than in a power greater than us?”

"Whether or not you believe in God," the camerlengo said, his voice deepening with deliberation, "you must believe this. When we as a species abandon our trust in the power greater than us, we abandon our sense of accountability. Faith ... all faiths … are admonitions that there is something we cannot understand, something to which we are accountable . . . With faith we are accountable to each other, to ourselves, and to a higher truth. Religion is flawed, but only because man is flawed. If the outside world could see this church as I do ... looking beyond the ritual of these walls . . . they would see a modern miracle... a brotherhood of imperfect, simple souls wanting only to be a voice of compassion in a world spinning out of control. . . .”


I'm not even religious and I love this.
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#16
One of the many reasons I'm not religious.
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We could try this again. It worked last time.
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#18
The Norwegians are gonna be pissed. Getting outdone by the Hindus. This could well turn out to be even more fun than the Norwegian black metal - Swedish death metal war.

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We could try this again. It worked last time.


Didn't this work?

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#20
can anyone give me a good example of when 'religion' (when i say that i mean institutionalised religion where fundamentalists reinterpret their scripture there own way) has done any good
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#22
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Didn't this work?


oh jebus, lets hope the Americans don't get involved

what the hell would they do to a country that actually DOES have WMDs?

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EDIT: Okay the reason why the Hindus are burning the churches is clear. They don't want people to convert from Hinduism to Christianity especially to the New Life churches cause it seems that they pay money for people to convert...

Discuss, please!


What the hell? That's just wrong.
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#25
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I'm not even religious and I love this.


That close minded, pompous, vengeful, hypocritical idiot.

Where's this from dude?
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We could try this again. It worked last time.

That's an execution is it not?

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Looking forward to see some Hindu Black Metal.


Woah imagine this guy playing the guitar... He could shred like multiple guitars... no wait he could be the whole band..
#28
I always thought Hinduism was a nice religion where they didn't bother other people etc...
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I always thought Hinduism was a nice religion where they didn't bother other people etc...


It's relatively peaceful. But any theistic religion will at some point have a "my god is better than your god" moment.
#30
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Meh, the "fighting over whose imaginary friend is better" quote works well here.


+1. If these guys really thought about it instead of acting on blind faith, they would not percieve eachothers religions as a threat.
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oh jebus, lets hope the Americans don't get involved

what the hell would they do to a country that actually DOES have WMDs?



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#35
Ahh, that sucks. And just for you people that didn't quite read it right, Hindus were attacking Christians, who were turning the other cheek. I'm personally a hardcore Christian (and ironically a slipknot fan) and I think that this is a bunch of crap. Guys, God isn't some giant a-hole looking to screw everybody over, he's more like a stalker that loves you and never leaves you. As creepy as it sounds, that's how it is. It's not perverted, but God seriously pursues your heart.

And this is one of the reasons I don't support other religions.
#1. I saw Jesus.
#2. Hindus off massacring Christians (plus no eating beef)
#3. Buddhists burning themselves to death to protest Vietnam War
#4. Peaceful Muslims hide their zealots because they have nothing to look forward to when they die but a bunch of girls that were allowed to do nothing with their life. They need the ERA

#5. Jews killed Jesus who was the Son of God after he proved it to them. Plus Jesus was Jewish. That would be like me killing another musician. That's just wrong...

Jesus= + 1 (anybody else?)
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#36
First off, I'm Indian and am pretty clued in on what's going on.

Now, the problem is there's this tiny ass party of assholes in a tiny ass state called Orissa that's pissed off with teh Christys cause teh Christys went all elitist on their asses. The quote in the first post makes because it's not half as serious as you think. Not even in India.
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Ahh, that sucks. And just for you people that didn't quite read it right, Hindus were attacking Christians, who were turning the other cheek. I'm personally a hardcore Christian (and ironically a slipknot fan) and I think that this is a bunch of crap. Guys, God isn't some giant a-hole looking to screw everybody over, he's more like a stalker that loves you and never leaves you. As creepy as it sounds, that's how it is. It's not perverted, but God seriously pursues your heart.

And this is one of the reasons I don't support other religions.
#1. I saw Jesus.
#2. Hindus off massacring Christians (plus no eating beef)
#3. Buddhists burning themselves to death to protest Vietnam War
#4. Peaceful Muslims hide their zealots because they have nothing to look forward to when they die but a bunch of girls that were allowed to do nothing with their life. They need the ERA

#5. Jews killed Jesus who was the Son of God after he proved it to them. Plus Jesus was Jewish. That would be like me killing another musician. That's just wrong...

Jesus= + 1 (anybody else?)


#38
When will NASA hurry up and create a breathable atmosphere on the moon, with cities and landscapes built by the power of man. Where those who want to can live as agnostics and where we can be proud of man's achievements as opposed to worshipping an untangible deity and scorning others who don't believe the same?

Hurry up NASA
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Jesus= + 1 (anybody else?)


i'll give you a +1 brother

even if i do think you put it in a very poor/elitist way