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So I've decided I'm going to go with a fairly simple rack set up even if it's going to be a little more expensive.

Heres the plan:

Preamp: Engl E530

Power Amp:Mesa 2:90

Power Conditioner: Alesis Powertrip

Noise Reduction: ISP Decimator Pro Rack G

EQ: ART Dual 15 band EQ

Some kind of compressor maybe?

Sound good?
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
Last edited by xMikeyxMetalx at Oct 1, 2008,
#3
nice rack ololol

Simple, I like it. I was thinking of suggesting like a tuner or noise gate or something but you probably don't want/need it. Although maybe an equalizer would be helpful?

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speaker(s)

or else all that gear is useless


He's got the Genz Benz...
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#4
Quote by Sonicxlover

He's got the Genz Benz...




that is a damn fine rig then
...
#5
Quote by Sonicxlover
nice rack ololol

Simple, I like it. I was thinking of suggesting like a tuner or noise gate or something but you probably don't want/need it. Although maybe an equalizer would be helpful?


He's got the Genz Benz...

Yeah, an eq would do wonders for it, specially one of them 31 band eqs.
#6
Quote by Sonicxlover
nice rack ololol

Simple, I like it. I was thinking of suggesting like a tuner or noise gate or something but you probably don't want/need it. Although maybe an equalizer would be helpful?


He's got the Genz Benz...


The G-Major has all of those built in
I'm just trying to figure out how to get it to switch channels on the preamp when i change presets with the relay switch.

Almost forgot a MIDI controller!
I'm thinking a Behringer FCB 1010 since I won't have much extra cash for a really nice controller. I have actually heard that it's a decent budget controller, despite Behringers often atrocious reputation for bad reliability.
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#7
That mainly applies to their guitar amps, I've heard their general audio schtuff is pretty good on the cheap.
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#8
Quote by Kevin Saale
That mainly applies to their guitar amps, I've heard their pa equipment and rack schtuff is pretty good on the cheap.

I guess I've seen some people use their Eq's and such too.
I've heard the FCB isn't the sturdiest pedal, but i don't gig and i'm not very rought with my stuff so it should do the job.
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#10
The only thing I'm worried about is setting it all up for MIDI control.
It seems kind of complicated.
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#12
Quote by Kevin Saale
Make friends with the manual.

I'm already reading through it online.
and i probably won't even get the G-Major til Christmas lol
I feel like there will be a lot of trial and error til i get it right.
I''m pretty psyched for this set up though.
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#14
Quote by t_y_l_e_r
That would be a pretty sweet rig.....


Thanks
Can't wait to get a good mic so i can record it. I already have EZDrummer DFH and Reaper, so i could make some pretty sick recordings once i learn about mixing and such.


I sure do want a lot of stuff though... But thats what jobs are for!
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#16
Quote by guitar/bass76
Any particular reason you chose the power engine?


I was thinking the same.
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Roland Cube 30X
#17
Quote by guitar/bass76
Any particular reason you chose the power engine?

I've read that it's quite transparent, i want the Engl tone to shine through. I also practice at low volumes, so it makes more since.
As a death metal guy, i don't really need the power tube break up. I would love to get a VHT 2:90:2, but i don't have that kind of money.

It also is 300 watts, plenty of headroom if i do gig!
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#18
That's a good plan, I happen to like the tech 21 series of modelers and poweramps - so I'm eager to hear how it works with the engl pre.
#19
check out a carvin power amp. I've heard it is very transparent. https://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TS100
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-PRS SE Custom (Guitarforce Black Diamond and Lord of the Blues)

Amp:
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EVH 5150III EL-34 50w
Marshall 1960a cab

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#21
Quote by JLT73
check out a carvin power amp. I've heard it is very transparent. https://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TS100

But he said he wanted SS because he plans to use it at lower volumes and doesn't need powertube breakup?
Quote by caraluzzo
Add a 31 band EQ and possibly a tuner and you should be good.

Isn't 31 bands a bit too much? I always felt like 10 was pushing it, 31 would just give me too many places to screw up
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Quote by guitar/bass76
But he said he wanted SS because he plans to use it at lower volumes and doesn't need powertube breakup?

Isn't 31 bands a bit too much? I always felt like 10 was pushing it, 31 would just give me too many places to screw up


31 is completely unnecessary for guitar, you're right.
Anything more than a 10 band is usually meant for PA systems.

And like i said, the G-Major has parametric EQ's (better than graphic IMO) and a tuner and a noise gate built in. I've talked to a guy on the HC forums who said it did all those quite well to.

The Carvin is a little more expensive, i was considering it. But I've heard Tech 21 is pretty damn good so I'll stick with them.
As soon as i sell my 5150 combo i will be buying the Engl and the Tech 21 right away.
I'll be sure to post my impressions of it. Maybe even some clips, don't expect good quality though
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#23
Quote by xMikeyxMetalx
The G-Major has all of those built in
I'm just trying to figure out how to get it to switch channels on the preamp when i change presets with the relay switch.

Almost forgot a MIDI controller!
I'm thinking a Behringer FCB 1010 since I won't have much extra cash for a really nice controller. I have actually heard that it's a decent budget controller, despite Behringers often atrocious reputation for bad reliability.



The G-Major will channel switch the Preamp via the footswitch socket on the back of it so no worries there. You will just need a midi controller for the G-Major.
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#24
Quote by halikus
The G-Major will channel switch the Preamp via the footswitch socket on the back of it so no worries there. You will just need a midi controller for the G-Major.


So i just need a split cable that goes in to the two footswitch jacks on the engl?
the cable should be TRS right?
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#25
ah that im afraid i cant answer. Iv only been told it works by another user here. Guys name is LEVEL4 maybe throw him a PM.
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Ibanez RG3270 ToneZone/Blue Velvet/Paf Pro
Ibanez RG1527
PRS CE22
Mercer Blackmachine Replica

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Diezel Einstein Combo
TC GMajor

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#26
Check the sig, speaking from personal experience, that Preamp and Effects unit will make you damn happy But for power amp, i'd suggest the Carvin Tube Preamp, which is only 5 dollars more...and really helps maintain the tube characteristics of the preamp. If you really want the Engl to shine through, that'd be the way. (without spending an arm and a leg on a VHT )
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ISP Pro Rack G Noise Suppressor
BKP Warpig pickups
Last edited by kayman121 at Sep 18, 2008,
#27
Quote by kayman121
Check the sig, speaking from personal experience, that Preamp and Effects unit will make you damn happy But for power amp, i'd suggest the Carvin Tube Preamp, which is only 5 dollars more...and really helps maintain the tube characteristics of the preamp. If you really want the Engl to shine through, that'd be the way. (without spending an arm and a leg on a VHT )


The Carvin is $105 more?
I can barely afford the basic set up as is.

How was your experience setting up the G-Major?
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#28
Quote by caraluzzo
Add a 31 band EQ and possibly a tuner and you should be good.

31 bands are useless.
Baron K2 SE 120
MILLS 4x12 Afterburner
Eventide TimeFactor Delays
ISP Pro Rack G Noise Suppressor
BKP Warpig pickups
#29
Quote by xMikeyxMetalx
The Carvin is $105 more?
I can barely afford the basic set up as is.

How was your experience setting up the G-Major?



Took me about 45 mins - 1 hour to get the hang of all its features
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MILLS 4x12 Afterburner
Eventide TimeFactor Delays
ISP Pro Rack G Noise Suppressor
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#30
Quote by kayman121
Took me about 45 mins - 1 hour to get the hang of all its features

alright that's reassuring.
Do you have a MIDI pedal hooked up to it?
Do you use any footswitch to change channels on the Engl?
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#31
Quote by xMikeyxMetalx
alright that's reassuring.
Do you have a MIDI pedal hooked up to it?
Do you use any footswitch to change channels on the Engl?


Not as of yet, but as someone stated previously, basically any midi switch will allow you to change channels on the preamp via the tce. the engl footswitches are way overpriced imo
Baron K2 SE 120
MILLS 4x12 Afterburner
Eventide TimeFactor Delays
ISP Pro Rack G Noise Suppressor
BKP Warpig pickups
#32
Quote by kayman121
Not as of yet, but as someone stated previously, basically any midi switch will allow you to change channels on the preamp via the tce. the engl footswitches are way overpriced imo


Yeah $120 for a two button Z-4?!
That's insane.

Hows the noise gate on the G-Major?
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#33
biggg bump!
If i got a nice tube power amp off ebay, like a VHT 2150. Would i be able to play at low volumes and sound good? Or i will i have to crank it?
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#34
another bumpp as i have changed this a little

I raised my budget, so i changed some things.
The rack goes as so:

Alesis Powertrip power conditioner
Engl E530 preamp
ISP Decimator Pro Rack G
Art dual 15 band EQ
Mesa 2:90 or VHT 2150 power amp

I might want to add a rack compressor, but don't know too much.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/BBE-MaxCom-DualChannel-Compressor?sku=180936
will this be good, also is the gate on compressors effective enough to justify not getting a decimator?

So just suggest me some more rack essentials

I don't really want any multi-effects stuff, theres just something about them i don't trust. I'd be scared of them breaking down on me. I'll stick to pedals for effects.
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#35
1 question.

If you are gonna spend that much, why not just get the Axe FX?

It would be a bit cheaper and much more versatile. Its getting a lot of praise on other sites, but it seems unknown here.
2008 Schecter C-1 Hellraiser
Currently amp-less!

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Last edited by rwalby9 at Sep 28, 2008,
#36
Quote by rwalby9
1 question.

If you are gonna spend that much, why not just get the Axe FX?


good point, but they're about 1.5 grand and still need a power amp.
They're impossible to find used, you can't even get them new right now in fact. Last time i looked they were sold out.
I'm going to look into it, but it seems to have a lot of extra stuff i don't need. I'm not really looking for modeling pres.
Oh and the extra rack stuff would be acquired over time, i only have enough for the pre and power amp right now.

I'm going to do a little extra research on the Axe FX though, you never know...

Thanks for the suggestion
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#38
Quote by xMikeyxMetalx
good point, but they're about 1.5 grand and still need a power amp.
They're impossible to find used, you can't even get them new right now in fact. Last time i looked they were sold out.
I'm going to look into it, but it seems to have a lot of extra stuff i don't need. I'm not really looking for modeling pres.
Oh and the extra rack stuff would be acquired over time, i only have enough for the pre and power amp right now.

I'm going to do a little extra research on the Axe FX though, you never know...

Thanks for the suggestion

Well you are wrong about not being able to get them. The standard is available now, but the ultra isn't.

As for the modeling, you really shouldn't disregard it. As much as I don't want to admit it, it sounds better than a lot of tube amps. Not all, but plenty of them.

Aren't you able to go straight from unit to cab? Don't think you need a power amp. Not 100% though.

That makes sense though, if you aren't buying it all at once. Just seemed kinda pointless.
2008 Schecter C-1 Hellraiser
Currently amp-less!

Fund My GAS
#39
Quote by rwalby9
Well you are wrong about not being able to get them. The standard is available now, but the ultra isn't.

As for the modeling, you really shouldn't disregard it. As much as I don't want to admit it, it sounds better than a lot of tube amps. Not all, but plenty of them.

Aren't you able to go straight from unit to cab? Don't think you need a power amp. Not 100% though.

That makes sense though, if you aren't buying it all at once. Just seemed kinda pointless.


Yeah i just noticed that when i checked, I'm sure theyll be sold out again by the time i get my 5150 sold and get payed again. Those things are selling like hotcakes.

i thought i saw somewhere that it had a power amp in it, not positive though.

The thing that turns me off is the complexity of all of it, and i'll need to get a midi pedal too won't i?

Do you know of any good metal clips? Good tone can always change my mind


Quote by jarudy
for ****s sake...they may have mics?

Haha yeah its not tube, but 300w SS is still extremely loud
but I've decided against getting that power amp now anyways
Guitar:
Schecter Omen 6 (Dimarzio X2N & Tone Zone)
Amps:
Engl Fireball
Genz Benz G-Flex 2x12 Cab
#40
Quote by xMikeyxMetalx
another bumpp as i have changed this a little

I raised my budget, so i changed some things.
The rack goes as so:

Alesis Powertrip power conditioner
Engl E530 preamp
ISP Decimator Pro Rack G
Art dual 15 band EQ
Mesa 2:90 or VHT 2150 power amp

I might want to add a rack compressor, but don't know too much.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/BBE-MaxCom-DualChannel-Compressor?sku=180936
will this be good, also is the gate on compressors effective enough to justify not getting a decimator?

So just suggest me some more rack essentials

I don't really want any multi-effects stuff, theres just something about them i don't trust. I'd be scared of them breaking down on me. I'll stick to pedals for effects.

That's about it for essentials, everything else is just cake. I'd say multi-fx such as a tce or eventide, but you've already explained why you dont want one clips soon, im curious to hear it. ill have some up in a few weeks as i overhaul my studio and DAW to accommodate my relatively new rack system which has finally given me the "tone in my head" ive had all these years
Baron K2 SE 120
MILLS 4x12 Afterburner
Eventide TimeFactor Delays
ISP Pro Rack G Noise Suppressor
BKP Warpig pickups
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