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#1
Hi guys,
my 21st birthday is coming up relatively soon (January) and I need to think about what I'm going to ask for.....my parents say that because it's a milestone they want to get me something really special that I will keep forever and remind me of this time of my life!

So naturally I decided I fancied a guitar as it's one of the only things I could think of that I would never get rid of.....and they gave me a budget of £2000!!!!

So I'm basically looking for advice on what I should go for...I play things ranging from classic rock to metal and occasionally dabble in blues from time to time.....I would probably be leaving this guitar in standard as it's the most versatile tuning and I can always get it set up differently at a later date

Now my other gear is a PRS Santana SE, PRS Tremonti SE, and an ESP-LTD M200FM and my amp is a Randall RG75G3...First of all, my parents don't want to get me an amp as they believe it's less special so don't say upgrade the amp, I'm gonna try and do that myself to one of the Peavey or Mesa valve combos (I don't need anything bigger as it will be for practice or small gigs)

So in conclusion, I have £2000 to spend on a guitar, does anyone have any reccomendations, or know of any good UK custom shops that are in my price range?

Cheers guys
#2
Oh and if anyone has any amp advice feel free, I know that belongs in the gear forum, but this thread is designed for guitar advice mainly which is what I put it here
#4
Give your parents a big hug first!
I would easily recommend you a Gibson Les Paul Supreme with that budget.
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#5
My advice would be to not make any decision lightly!
For what you play i would say a Les Paul, but it's up to you at the end of the day.
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I would easily recommend you a Gibson Les Paul Supreme with that budget.


My guitar teacher bought one of those... He traded it within a week for a wedding ring. He said it was garbage. I wouldn't recommend buying one of those.

You need an amp! Just tell your parents that you have real top of the line guitars already, and you don't need to spend all that money on another. That way you can get a bad ass amp!


Of course if that doesn't work, I'd recommend getting your own custom guitar from Carvin, or Ran. Those take a long ass time to make though.
#10
If I had that kind of budget I wouldn't be looking at anything mass-produced. I'd probably be calling Sadowsky or someone similar.
#11
Yeah I was hoping to be going custom shop stuff, but I didn't really know where to start and how much custom shop guitars cost......Also, there's so many options I wouldn't really know where to start

Carvin and Ran seem to be held in high regard around these parts though, I assume they're good? And anyone else you guys could reccomend?
#13
i'd get a Ran, but it was decrease the specialnss if you have to wait a year
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Yeah I was hoping to be going custom shop stuff, but I didn't really know where to start and how much custom shop guitars cost......Also, there's so many options I wouldn't really know where to start

Carvin and Ran seem to be held in high regard around these parts though, I assume they're good? And anyone else you guys could reccomend?


2000quid on a guitar ?sweet budget!
go custom

Ran guitars does some fine work
fill out some custom orders here and there and compare prices
customs do have a waiting period depending on the company so the wait time kind of sucks
I cant imagine anything more personal than a CS guitar, choose wisely so you'll never think about selling.
#15
So far the only people to give me a quote back were ESP and they wanted $6,500 for the guitar I built so......

I'm assuming the big companies are going to tend to be more expensive than the ones that specialise in custom guitars.......

Also, would you guys mind pointing me in the direction of some stuff that could tell me about different woods, neck constructions etc. as I'm not an exactly an expert on these things and don't want to make a mistake!
#16
I'd say split the budget in two and buy a badass guitar AND a badass amp. shoot in some of your own money if needed
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#19
erm, I can't remember exactly, buy it was the M series body shape, maple body with quilted maple top, 25.5" scale length, 24 standard frets, ebony fretboard, EMG 81 in the bridge and an 85 in the neck with an official floyd rose, graphite nut and Sperzel locking tuinng heads

I think, it was either that or something very similar ( I may have accidentally missed out some of the options)
#21
I looked at them, but I just don't like the look of the Jem series and for that sort of money it's got to be the full package, if you know what I mean
#22
Cool guitar your going for mate.the neck joint is something you might want to put more thought into. Set necks and neck through body designs will add to your sustain. However the body tone will be affected in a other way. I know that with neck through designs the wood used on the neck will be your main tone wood.the wood used on the wings will have little effect on the tone.with set necks its kind of the contrary your body wood will have the main tone.depending on the built choose some nice tone woods that fit together.tone woods for the fret board are also going to have effect on your main tone.
#23
I'd go to the nearest big guitar store and loudly announce you budget. That way you'll be encouraged to try out as many higher end guitars as possible.
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I'd go to the nearest big guitar store and loudly announce you budget. That way you'll be encouraged to try out as many higher end guitars as possible.


Haha, that might not actually be a bad idea.

I'd recommend a Parker. They sound great, lightweight, most have Dimarzios stock, good trems, and they look cool to boot. I don't remember how the neck feels but honestly at that price it's personal preference.
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#26
I was about to suggest a USA custom 22/24 with a 10top. I think though id prefer a handmade axe to my own specs but then theres almost no chance of getting it on the big day unless your birthday is a fair while down the line.

Id defiantly stay well clear of the the big companies for a custom though, they will all have overinflated prices due to their perceived status in the market as evidenced by the ESP quote. I mean $6.5k for a custom M guitar...cough cough RIP OFF!!

If you do go down the custom route il say what practically everyone else on UG will say. PM Perry Ormsby, he may be in Oz and you will wait for ages but its going to be well worth the wait.
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#27
I knew I would forget to mention something, I had specified I wanted a neck-thru body design, from what I've read it seems to be the "best" way and gives you more sustain and a better tone
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All il say from experience is thats debatable as its all down the the builder as to how good the neck joint is.

Iv owned and played many different neck joints and I have to say the differences are so negligible 99.9% of people could not tell the difference. Sadly theres no real way of doing a proper comparison as each bit of wood will resonate to different degrees and you cant use the same bit of wood twice if you get my direction.

Neck thru does indeed look sexy as hell in natural and trans finishes.
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#30
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I knew I would forget to mention something, I had specified I wanted a neck-thru body design, from what I've read it seems to be the "best" way and gives you more sustain and a better tone

It's not...it just costs more to do because it's more work. There's no discernible difference in sustain or tone between neckthrough, set neck or bolt-on neck guitars of comparable quality.
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#31
legra would be great, as the seagull said. i have one, it's really nice. feline, wez venables, rob williams, etc. etc. would probably all be worth looking into, there are quite a few luthiers in the UK. only problems with a custom are the wait, needing to know more or less what you want, and you're not quite sure how it'll turn out until you have it in your hand. i'd still say it's worth it, but everyone is different and you may disagree.

if you don't want to go custom, i'd look into vigier, tyler, suhr, tom anderson, huber, etc. excellent guitars, but you'll pay for them...
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#32
My face eraser sustains twice as long as my ibby(easily) , but I think thats also due to the bridge difference.Sure some differences are sometimes minimal to the point where you cant actually tell the difference(like ebony being brighter than rosewood when used as a fretboard), I do believe however that a set neck construction can never achieve the twang of a bolty.So some details in built/ tonewood do matter more or less and some are just over exaggerated
#33
To Gusco: I already have a car, so I've got that base covered!

To everyone else: I was looking at neck-thru for the sustain, but have now realised that as I'm planning on getting a Floyd Rose won't they kind of cancel each other out?

Also, I've got a quote from Ran guitars for a similar spec guitar to the ESP at 2,300 euros, which converted to pounds comes in at about my budget......the only problem is they say that it will take between 10 and 12 months for the guitar to be built, does anyone have any experience with them and know how long it will actually take?

And one final question, what are the different tonal properties of each wood?
#34
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I'd say split the budget in two and buy a badass guitar AND a badass amp. shoot in some of your own money if needed


I agree, you can easily get a guitar under $1000 that kicks ass, with a sweet ass amp to boot. You would have 2 great pieces of gear instead of 1. Just my opinion.
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Oh, and what are EMG afterburners, PA2s or SPCs? and when would I use them?

I don't really know what they're for and the descriptions on the EMG website didn't exactly help, but I would like to know if any of them are worth getting as obviously I want this guitar to be perfect
#36
To the people who are saying to split the money, I know where you're coming from because that was what I wanted to do originally, but my parents don't feel that a great amp is "special" in the same way so they would prefer if I were to spend it all on a guitar, so that's what I'm looking at doing now, I do plan on discussing it with them though and see if I can convince them.......

If I were able to convince them what amps would you reccomend? considering my taste in music (metal, with classic rock thrown in) and that I wouldn't need a stack as I only play in my room and at the moment don't have any prospects of being in a band playing gigs where I would need one......
#38
Ok, so far we've got a no on the afterburners......so basically, they just bump up the gain a bit?
#39
show your parents this thread.

to idiotbox919's parents: First of all, buying your son a 2000 quid guitar is awesome, but you're missing out something. If you have a 2000 quid guitar, you'll need a matching amp to make the guitars qualities really shine through. The new guitar will sound like any other guitar through that amp of his. It's a LOT better investment to split the money in half (sort of) and buy an expensive amp. There are tons of great guitars in the 1000£-spectra.
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