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#1
MEGA EDIT: I have chosen, decision is on last page.
EDIT: If you are new to this thread, go straight to the last page. I have a lot of questions and I update my search progress often, so there will always be new questions for you to answer.

DOUBLE EDIT: added list of guitars I have REFUSED at the bottom of this post

Hello everyone, I am going to college next year, so I am looking to get a nice guitar!

Max Budget-$1300 (flexible, do not be afraid to reccomend under/over, keep it in mind though)

I am mainly going to use it for jazz band, so it has to have a good jazz tone, and be somewhat presentable. Ensamble judges will not grade a guitarist kindly with a flamboyant BC Rich.

Also, it is college after all, so no big-name rediculously expensive brands (cough-gibson-cough) that will attract theives.

Now, whats the issue? The curveball? Well, I am only going to take this guitar. That means that it will be all I have for the local band scene. The issue? I am into prog-metal, and I am influenced by MUSE and Queen. I love the tone of bands like dream theatre and ayreon, but I also love the style and virtuosity of Queen and MUSE.

Small note, the school will be providing amps, so expect me to be playing through what I assume to be marshall stacks in jazz.

I was thinking of fender, but I am unsure of how it will get a prog-metal tone.

HELP!

Thanks in advance.


List:
Anything with EMGs
Squier Hello Kitty Strat
PRS SE Series
Gibson Faded Series
Gibson Robot Series
Anything from Rondomusic
Epiphone Elitest Series
Steinberger
Schecter
Carvin
Musicman
Hagstrom
Fender Straticaster
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
Last edited by kranoscorp at Feb 9, 2009,
#5
one word BRO...

Carvin

Metal=yes
versitile=yes
awesome=yes
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#6
The thing is that music is going to be a huge part of my college life, I am majoring in either as a session musician, jazz studies, or guitar performance. I really need a nice guitar for it, but not too nice that it attracts unwanted attention.

Also, I am unsure of how haggies can handle prog metal, I have always viewed them as a jass specific brand.

Oh, and a semi acoustic DEFINITELY cannot handle prog metal. I cannot imagine how I could control the feedback.

Maybe a high-end epi LP?

Thanks again guys, all of the posts have been moderately helpful so far, but I still need guiding!
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#8
How about a SX?

Okay, that was a joke.

But how about a HSS strat? I assume that you'd be using the neck pup mostly for jazz band, and you can have a nice bridge humbucker for the prog stuff you play. You might want to go a different route than Fender.. That's a pretty popular brand and I'd be concerned about it getting stolen. Try G&L maybe?
#9
Yea go with the Carvin bro. Hands down the best guitars for under 2 thousand, with Ibanez in a close second. I would have suggested it a few minutes ago but my computer was being gay and wouldn't let me log in. But back to Carvin. Their guitars are played by amazing players like Allan Holdsworth and Tony MacAlpine, so i think they'll definitely be able to cover what you need and you get them custom ordered and they typically average out right around your budget, unless you want the jazz box or a guitar with a 4A maple top. But Ibanez guitars kick ass too plus they cost less. The Artcore series is an awesome budget guitar.
#12
I completely forgot about G&L!! They're definitely something you might wanna look at. It's like a Strat on steroids, it plays better, it stays in tune better, the craftsmanship is better and the pickups are of higher quality. Plus they're what Leo Fender considered the pinnacle of his guitar designing career.
#13
I'd say a Carvin or an Epi Elitist Casino or Les Paul.
Epiphone Riviera Jorma Kaukonen Deluxe
Orange Tiny Terror with a Mesa 2x12 Lone Star
Boss PH-3
Jekyll & Hyde Ultimate Overdrive
Dunlop Crybaby 535Q
Boss DD-20
Fender Deluxe Mexi-Jazz
#14
I'd go with some form of a Les Paul...they can do anything well. I think the new Epi Prophecy series has a model with a Duncan JB/59 set, that could be any option.
#15
Quote by mmolteratx
Yea go with the Carvin bro. Hands down the best guitars for under 2 thousand, with Ibanez in a close second. I would have suggested it a few minutes ago but my computer was being gay and wouldn't let me log in. But back to Carvin. Their guitars are played by amazing players like Allan Holdsworth and Tony MacAlpine, so i think they'll definitely be able to cover what you need and you get them custom ordered and they typically average out right around your budget, unless you want the jazz box or a guitar with a 4A maple top. But Ibanez guitars kick ass too plus they cost less. The Artcore series is an awesome budget guitar.


I agree 100%. Carvin is awesome for just about everything, and they're way better value for money than most major brands *cough*Gibson*/cough*
Last edited by which ones pink at Sep 18, 2008,
#16
A PRS SE should be in that budget, an they're pretty damn versatile!
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#17
Try to score a Music Man Axis second hand. Should be in your pricerange.
Hufschmid
Blackat
Washburn USA Custom Shop
PRS
Mayones
Orange
Diezel
Engl
#18
Saw a cool guitar online, what does everyone think of the line 6 variax 700?
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#19
I went to Berklee and when I was there (a while ago now) the big brands were Fender & Ibanez (the shred ones and a lot of the 335 ish models). Also some LPs, SGs and PRS but mainly Fender and Ibanez.

I played a bunch of different guitars then. Never an Ibanez, but everything from a PRS to an old Gibson archtop to a LP to a Gretsch.

I have a Variax and it's cool but it gets lost when you start adding another player, instrument. I can't get into it. Fun to fool around with though.

You may want to wait a year. I always knew people selling guitars for good prices when I was in school because there were so many players.
Last edited by SenorSmiley at Sep 25, 2008,
#21
go for a hollow body carvin my teacher plays everything and hes got one, and he plays metal
Music is the holy grail, sod wine water and the blood of jesus
#22
Quote by Tomo J O
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Special-Mahogany-HSS-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=511165

This, HSS. Hot Humbucker in the bridge and the neck and mid pickup will suit perfect for Jazz tones.

I feel the great need to replace the neck with one of a Gibson headstock. It is interesting, nonetheless.

Also, I asked around about carvin, and a lot of people said not to get one, that I could do better for the price. Any thoughts?
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#23
I've spent some time trying out guitars recently because I got myself a new one. These impressed me quite a lot and I think they will work for you:

Yamaha AES 920:
http://www.yamaha.com/guitars/products/productdetail/0,,CNTID%25253D60012%252526CTID%25253D600002%252526CNTYP%25253DPRODUCT,00.html
It had the longest sustain of all guitars in the store, and a rich, woody tone. Eventually the bridge humbucker has not enough output for you, but other than that it should work. Handling is LP typical - very thick neck and boy it's HEAVY. The one I tried in the store was something between 5/6kg, I kid you not!
But man, the sound and build quality of that thing were better than on the 2000€ Gibsons in the store. It's yours for 1300 bucks.

Framus Renegade Pro:
http://www.framus.de/modules/produkte/produkt.php?submenuID=21340&katID=11047&cl=EN
Kinda hard to find in the US, it can be ordered here (though their price list is down, dunno why):
http://www.danabgoods.com/
Really impressed me, mainly because of it's versatility and the build quality. Comparable Fender or Gibson guitars cost about 1.5 times that much. Costs about 1000$.
It sounds brighter than the yamaha which helps with high gain stuff together with the JB humbucker. It does Jazz as well, thanks to the low output neck pickup. It has a coil split function, too.

Framus Diablo Pro:
http://www.framus.de/modules/produkte/produkt.php?submenuID=21340&katID=11018&cl=EN
If you want a trem. Pretty much like the renegade, but with a trem, a singlecoil and higher output neck pickup. I find the neck pickup works well for jazzy stuff if you roll down the guitars volume and tone, but some people are not big on it for clean tones, so make sure to check that before buying. The single coil makes this the most versatile guitar on my list, excellent cleans in the split positions. Should be available under 1200$.

Also, check out the Ibanez ARX500, it's not the prettiest guitar, but it sounds nice for rock and jazz, though I don't know if you'll like the bridge pickup for prog metal. See for yourself.
Last edited by TheQuailman at Sep 26, 2008,
#24
Ah, I entirely forgot about framus, I love that brand. The problem with them is that it is harder to find one in the states, and I definitely want to try the guitar before buying. Any ideas where to buy one?


Don't let my comments stop you guys from posting, I needz moar recommendations!
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#25
Quote by Tomo J O
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Special-Mahogany-HSS-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=511165

This, HSS. Hot Humbucker in the bridge and the neck and mid pickup will suit perfect for Jazz tones.


Haha.. I was thinking to recommend him that exact guitar. One of the most versatile guitar you can get.
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ESP Standard Eclipse I CTM VW
ESP LTD Deluxe H-1001
ESP LTD Deluxe Viper-1000 STBC
ESP Edwards E-EX-100STD
Warmoth Paulcaster "Tiger"
Tanglewood TW170 AS
Vox Tonelab ST
Blackstar HT-1R


#26
PRS are awesome. id seriously be weary of bringing a $1300 guitar into a dorm if that is where you are living.
#27
Quote by kranoscorp
Ah, I entirely forgot about framus, I love that brand. The problem with them is that it is harder to find one in the states, and I definitely want to try the guitar before buying. Any ideas where to buy one?

The nearest store I can find to your home is in Indiana and they only have two models on the site. Sorry.
Maybe they'll have more in the store, who knows.
http://www.theguitarboutique.com/servlet/StoreFront

You can try getting more info here if you want:
Warwick Music Equipment USA
1201 East Haley
93103 Santa Barbara
0805/9635783
0805/5644149
b.gill@warwick.de
#28
Ok guys, small update. I got an the amp I will be taking with me to college, a Fender Princeton Chorus. Will that modify any reccomendations?
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#29
What if I got one of the new MIA HSS fender strats? I am quite fond of them.

How does the alder bodies of 08 MIA's compare to that of the mahogany one earlier reccomended? Is there any reason why I should prefer the mahogany over the alder?

How about MIA Teles? Would that suit my needs or is a strat the better choice here?

When do the 09 Fenders come out? (which month)


Carvin is out of the question, if I was going to get a Carvin, it would be a custom, and I do not have the time to wait for a custom shop to build it as I will be getting the guitar rather late in the year.

Framus would be difficult to acquire considering the distance needed to drive, I am really looking for guitars that I can get out places like Guitarcenter, or other local stores.
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#30
Having gone to music school I would say wait if you can. There was always a deluge of kids selling guitars cheap to buy pot/booze or another guitar
#31
Quote by SenorSmiley
Having gone to music school I would say wait if you can. There was always a deluge of kids selling guitars cheap to buy pot/booze or another guitar

I really do not want to buy used for my college guitar. I do not buy new guitars often, and I really view this guitar as a sort of "right of passage" for my musical learning. Going any less than that and I feel the guitar would lose its luster, so to speak.
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#33
How is a humbucker better than a single coil neck for jazz? I always thought that humbuckers were too harsh for jazz.
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#34
Quote by kranoscorp
How is a humbucker better than a single coil neck for jazz? I always thought that humbuckers were too harsh for jazz.

no, single coils are to bright and "spanky" if thats even a word; for jazz. you need a mohangany body (preferably) and a nice neck humbucker because your goal is warm and smooth, and bright and "spanky"
My Gear:
Fender 60th Anniversary Standard Strat
Vox AD30VT
Big Muff Pi.
#35
Hmm. That probably points to getting a gibson, but they are even more expensive than mia strats. Gibsons probably attract thieves like hell, too. Even so, any reccomendations for a good Gibson? I regret to say that I am not the biggest fan of their LP studios, but anything else is fine.

Some questions in post #29 have yet to be answered.
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#36
SG standard? Someone in my jazz band at school used one and it sounded so nice and amazing. That guitar would last you the rest of your life. About it being stolen, i'd just see if you could keep it in some kind of locker in an instrument storage room, which the music dept. should have.
My Gear:
Fender 60th Anniversary Standard Strat
Vox AD30VT
Big Muff Pi.
#37
Ah, I don't think you understand the circumstances on which I am going to college. I am going to major in music in a small liberal arts college's consrvatory. I am going to be practicing guitar A LOT, so I am probably going to keep my instrument in my room.
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#38
SG is a fine guitar, the current models seem to be built well. But you don't need a humbucker or a mahogany body for jazz, I use a strat with single coils and I get a wonderful thick jazzy tone if I use the neck pickup and roll the tone knob halfway down.

Anyway, the SG is worth considering, I'd prefer it over an MIA strat, those never sounded quite right to me.
Ever tried a Yamaha SG or Pacifica 904? Amazing guitars. I recall that the G&L guitars I played were nice for the money. I played some of their strat clones, though I don't remember the exact model names.
Last edited by TheQuailman at Sep 29, 2008,
#39
Yamaha is not really an option for me, I have never seen anything better than a 112J where I live.

How about a gibby Firebird? would those fit jazz? I have never tried anything with minihumbuckers before.

(questions that have yet to be answered)
How about MIA Teles? Would that suit my needs or is a strat the better choice here?

When do the 09 Fenders come out? (which month)
-Instruments-
Squier frankenbass
LTD Deluxe EC-1000 in Vintage Black
1960's Banjuke
#40
The firebird will work for jazz just fine, I'd be more worried how it'll work for prog metal. I don't know if the mini humbudkers will handle that well and finding higher output mini humbuckers will be difficult.

The MIA tele I don't find better than the strat, but I guess I'm just too picky. The only MIA Fenders I ever liked were the artist signature and similarly priced models (darn expensive).
But if YOU like them, is the only thing that matters. So if, like you said, you liked the ones you tried so far, go for it.