#1
cant put up with my frontman any longer, im going tube
but on a budget, playing blues to hard rock to metal, also reccomend distortions that you think would go well to get hard rock & metal

so the main few ive been looking at
Epiphone VJ halfstack + MXR 6 band EQ(hows that compare the the 10 band?)
or
Blackheart little giant halfstack BH5H & BH112
or
Crate v33 head & cratev212b 2x12 cab

what do you guys think?
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#2
10 band eq is a little useless unless ou really want to fine tune your tone. a lot of people just turn everything up to max and use it as a booster. some people use it to boost mids. however, i strongly recommend an overdrive or a gain booster instead of an eq because of the greater versatility.

i dont like any of those amps. save some money. it's not taht hard at all. every 10 dollar bill or higher you get, save it. unless you really need it. dont splurge on anything like good food, movies, drinks.
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#3
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10 band eq is a little useless unless ou really want to fine tune your tone. a lot of people just turn everything up to max and use it as a booster. some people use it to boost mids. however, i strongly recommend an overdrive or a gain booster instead of an eq because of the greater versatility.

i dont like any of those amps. save some money. it's not taht hard at all. every 10 dollar bill or higher you get, save it. unless you really need it. dont splurge on anything like good food, movies, drinks.

i wish i had money to splurge, if it doesnt go to car insurance it goes to gas
Edit:i looked at your profile, you were born like 20 days after me,surely you realize how bad gas is?
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#4
the v33 + an od of some sort would be the most versatile.
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#5
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i wish i had money to splurge, if it doesnt go to car insurance it goes to gas

haha ok. might i recommend buying yourself a nice USED tube COMBO? please. if you are on a tight budget, try to stay away from nbew stuff. dont buy used stuff at gc and other stores either. maybe pawn shops.. craigslist is a great way to buy stuff really cheap. most of those guys on there are real desperate for money and you can lowball like crazy and migth accept your offer. i bought my amp from craigslist. guy says 600 bucks. got it down to 450 and took it home. new and old amps sound the same. only difference is probably age of tubes and some physical wear. ebay is good but a lot of stuff is reall expensive. like people sell on ebay because prices are higher there.
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Fender Starcaster Sunburst
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Morley Bad Horsie 2
Boss CE-5

ISP Decimator
Boss DD-6
Korg Pitchblack
#6
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the v33 + an od of some sort would be the most versatile.

is the built in gain not good?
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#7
cheap tube amps tend not to have good gain or distortions built in. i know nothing of crates, but i can tell you right now that od's are great pedals to have.
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Morley Bad Horsie 2
Boss CE-5

ISP Decimator
Boss DD-6
Korg Pitchblack
#8
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the v33 + an od of some sort would be the most versatile.

is the built in gain not good?

Edit to apak: anything youd reccomend thats versatile enough to do all the stuff i play well?
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#9
it's pretty good, but hard rock levels of gain is where it's limit is. if you want a thrashy/80s metal sound (ie. not super massive lowend) an OD pedal would be able to bring it there.
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it's pretty good, but hard rock levels of gain is where it's limit is. if you want a thrashy/80s metal sound (ie. not super massive lowend) an OD pedal would be able to bring it there.

heaviest it'd ever get would be first 3 metallica albums,
what does distortion do to tube amps?, i know overdrive pushes them to natural break up, but does distortion do well?
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#11
for that, it should hold it's own with a boost.

and i don't think 'too much distortion' would harm an amp. i was just saying, it won't get any heavier when the gain knob is on 10 haha.

oh, you mean a distortion pedal? eh, you'd be better off getting an overdrive pedal to add to the drive on the amp. a (cheaper) distortion pedal will just make your sound... crappier for the most part.
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for that, it should hold it's own with a boost.

and i don't think 'too much distortion' would harm an amp. i was just saying, it won't get any heavier when the gain knob is on 10 haha.

not harm it, but sound bad
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#13
^ check my edit. it would definitely sound bad on the gain channel of the amp, but would sound okay through the clean channel.
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#14
The crate is probably the best for you as it is the most versitile and has close to enough distortion for metal. You will need an od though
#15
any suggestions for OD?
because ive been trying to drown the frontman with a deathmetal & hothead(seperately of course)
and both of those fall unser the cheap distortion category i think, i only got the death metal because my frind was selling it dirt cheap
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#16
a digitech bad monkey is a great value ($50) for what you get.
you could also look into other tubescreamer-style overdrives: ibanez ts-9, ts-808, maxon od-9, od-808, boss blues driver, bbe green screamer, digitech hardwire series... and so on.
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#18
how much will blues od's help?
and whats the difference between the green screamer & the sonic stomp sonic maximizer thing?
edit: isnt the bad monket in the same line as the hot head & death metal?
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#19
if you mean the blues driver, it's more of a bluesy pedal (obviously), that can be a great boost if modded a little. otherwise it's kinda tinny/trebley.

and the green screamer is a tubescreamer clone, and the sonic maximizer is like a lazy kid's eq pedal.
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#20
NO! The Bad monkey is an analog overdrive where as the others are digital distortion pedals. The Bad Monkey is ver nice for the price.
What do you mean, "how much will blues od help?"
I haven't tried the others so no comment
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NO! The Bad monkey is an analog overdrive where as the others are digital distortion pedals. The Bad Monkey is ver nice for the price.
What do you mean, "how much will blues od help?"
I haven't tried the others so no comment

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if you mean the blues driver, it's more of a bluesy pedal (obviously), that can be a great boost if modded a little. otherwise it's kinda tinny/trebley.

and the green screamer is a tubescreamer clone, and the sonic maximizer is like a lazy kid's eq pedal.
arent all of those blues OD pedals?
SRV used a tubescreamer didnt he?

and is the screamin blues not as good as the badmonkey?
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#22
most overdrive pedals can be used for blues yeah. but what they also can do is boost the preamp of your amp to get more gain out of it.

you can set the pedal to:
level: 10
gain: 0
tone: whatever

and get more gain for early metal because it's boosting your signal.
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#23
do distortion pedals do that to, or just ods?
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#24
The Bad Monkey is the best cheap pure OD out there, however I may suggest a Boss OS-2 if you want to be able to combine OD and distortion at the same time. The Screamin' Blues isn't as good as the Monkey though.

And no, distortion pedals only change the distortion sound and type.
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do distortion pedals do that to, or just ods?

in my experience, distortion pedals only add tinnyness and fizziness when the gain is set low and the level high. it's just the voice of the pedal, they're not meant to boost usually.
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The Bad Monkey is the best cheap pure OD out there, however I may suggest a Boss OS-2 if you want to be able to combine OD and distortion at the same time. The Screamin' Blues isn't as good as the Monkey though.

And no, distortion pedals only change the distortion sound and type.

is the badmonkey a tubescreamer clone?

ive only played one, and it was probably under the worst condidtions possible, but it sounded bad
(in a pawn shop with the setup Ibanez iceman>bad monkey. spider III 75 that the guy couldnt turn the effects off on and wouldnt let me touch, the cables were also 20 foot long each)
all it would do was pick up radio signals
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is the badmonkey a tubescreamer clone?

ive only played one, and it was probably under the worst condidtions possible, but it sounded bad
(in a pawn shop with the setup Ibanez iceman>bad monkey. spider III 75 that the guy couldnt turn the effects off on and wouldnt let me touch, the cables were also 20 foot long each)
all it would do was pick up radio signals

No, it is not a TS clone. And yes, you did use it under the worst conditions. But it IS nice. Anyway, overdrives are known for blues but most bands use an overdrive to tighten up their sound or to get more gain. This pedal will help you get those netal tones
#28
well thank you everyone thats contributed a post or answered one of my questions
youve all been very helpful
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