#1
So, I'm still kind've beginner, I guess. Not sure where you cut off beginner, intermediate and advanced. But I have knowledge enough to make like major, minor, pentatonic and scales like that in keys and make major, minor and powerchords. Problem is, I don't know exactly how to get started making my own music. Which is a little contradicting I guess since I -should- know that stuf well enough. I have pretty good technique on stuff like pinch harmonics, sweeping and tapping (the latter two I probably won't be incorporating into anything for a while). I don't know how broad this question might be, but any help would be appreciated.

EDIT: Keep in mind, I am still a total beginner in terms of serious music, I guess. I kinda feel bad though since I feel like I should know more...but eh, I just want to be able to happily progress and figured someone here could push me off that cliff.
Last edited by CochiseOfHatora at Sep 21, 2008,
#2
Do you know how to form triads from scales? That's pretty important in order to compose. When you start a composition, you should decide what key it's gonna be in, major or minor, modal, etc. Then you start. Either write a harmony first, and put a melody on top, or vice versa.
Second of all, you should decide what kind of structure (if any) your songs will have. There are different types. I could give you some examples of classical structures such as sonatas, fugues, etc, but I doubt you'll be interested in that.
#3
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Do you know how to form triads from scales? That's pretty important in order to compose. When you start a composition, you should decide what key it's gonna be in, major or minor, modal, etc. Then you start. Either write a harmony first, and put a melody on top, or vice versa.
Second of all, you should decide what kind of structure (if any) your songs will have. There are different types. I could give you some examples of classical structures such as sonatas, fugues, etc, but I doubt you'll be interested in that.
No, I don't

I wouldn't mind seeing those at all if you think they might lend some assistance.

I'm just getting slightly frustrated because I can't afford a teacher right now and I only know, like, bare-bone basic stuff. And I'm not really happy with my progressing. Right now the only stuff I know that I can compare to in the Music Theory FAQ guide is..major scale + modes, more on how to use modes (kind've) and pentatonics, slightly.I don't really feel hopeless...I just don't want to be someone who sits around and plays off tabs and can't play original stuff with other people.
Last edited by CochiseOfHatora at Sep 21, 2008,
#4
No, I don't

Read the 'Crusade' articles in the columns section of UG if you want to learn it.

There's a lot of theory on the internet to be learnt. Keep searching for new stuff and apply what you learn to your songwriting.
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#5
When you've learnt your theory (learn it, songwritting is a skill NOT an inherit ability) write a simple melody (these are usually the easiest to sing/catchiest sort of melodies) and keep adding things to it.
#6
Alright, thanks guys.

I'm just one of those guitar n00bs who is trying to find some guidance on this quest of auspicious musical skill.
#7
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I'm just one of those guitar n00bs who is trying to find some guidance on this quest of auspicious musical skill.
Guidance requires a master. So your not going to find that here, we all suck as well.
#8
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Guidance requires a master. So your not going to find that here, we all suck as well.
lol then...I have no other words O_o

I'm probably going to get a teacher soon...I'm just nervous on whether he will be good or not. Because of my last teacher being so bad. But I'm sure everyone has been there and done that. For now...I will ust surf around these forums and pick up whatever I can for now. But alot of stuff on here looks like it's really useful. I just need a better grasp of things first.
#9
No one in my band knows any theory, we kind of know about keys but that's about it, we just jam until we come up with something good and we keep that. I was a solo artist for a while, I just sat around and messed with my guitar, so my advice, mess around until something sounds good and roll with it, take your time, add, take away, whatever you gotta do, just make the best song you could possible make
#10
^yeah, what sounds good is great. But composition theory will help you write faster. Sure you might enjoy searching for the right notes, but with theory you know what will sound good. You dont even need too much writing experience.
Think of it like this. A million monkeys in a room will write something as awesome as shakespeare eventually. But only someone as smart as shakespeare can write an awesome play in an hour. Similarly, bach used to write complete songs in a matter of days. He did this with a combination of theory and experience (which you probably have).
btw, I'm trying to convert you to being a theory nerd
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I'm probably going to get a teacher soon...I'm just nervous on whether he will be good or not. Because of my last teacher being so bad. But I'm sure everyone has been there and done that. For now...I will ust surf around these forums and pick up whatever I can for now. But alot of stuff on here looks like it's really useful. I just need a better grasp of things first.
Yeah, teachers suck. What would be most awesome if you had a friend that was a signed musician (biggish label, but I doubt if you could find anyone metallica big). If you really want a teacher, maybe a classical guitarist or one of those fruity jazz guys? Some classical teachers specialise in teaching their students to write music, which would probably include simple counterpoint and such. Maybe you could go to a university or a conservatory to study? I know sure as hell they'd teach you to write music there. Except this would probably be classical music.
Last edited by demonofthenight at Sep 23, 2008,
#11
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Yeah, teachers suck. What would be most awesome if you had a friend that was a signed musician (biggish label, but I doubt if you could find anyone metallica big). If you really want a teacher, maybe a classical guitarist or one of those fruity jazz guys? Some classical teachers specialise in teaching their students to write music, which would probably include simple counterpoint and such. Maybe you could go to a university or a conservatory to study? I know sure as hell they'd teach you to write music there. Except this would probably be classical music.
What I was planning on doing for now. Is looking into teachers around here and pick out all the ones that seem like they are worth a shot. Then try them out and see if they can teach me what I want. If none of them work...I am on my own for now.

But hey, I guess I have my whole life ahead of me to tackle music. No point in getting stressed if I can't find what I need right now. But the classical teachers does sound like a good idea, probably mix that in with my teacher search. And I really need to find a band around here =/ I was in one for a little while..but it fell throgh due to the bassist (weird, huh? =P) I can't help but realize how much I would take in by just having jam sessions with other people, like Damien said. But I just want to learn as much theory as I can for now to get me started on this stuff. Because it sucks really bad having cools riffs and solos in your head and not knowing how to work them out.
#12
Not much on lyrics. But coming up with something that sounds good isnt as hard as it seems. Sometimes i play a bunch of songs i know at once and kinda put parts together that sound good, then just play with it until it is completely your own thing and is nothing like the other songs (no copyright issues). Play different chords you know (or jsut bar/power chords) and put them together in different orders until you can get one that sounds good. I dunno it works for me. Oh and learnt isn't a word people