#1
Hi guys,

I recently got my Engl Screamer 50 combo. Its pretty awesome but I was jsut wondering something about how you turn it off (yep this question is that n00by).

It has two switches a standby switch which can be on or off and a power switch which can be on or off. I know that when you turn it on you switch on the standby, leave it for a minute then switch on the power, but what about when you're turning it off?

Thanks, any advice is appreciated
#2
dear jesus. do the same process, except in reverse.


if you struggle with that logic, here's step by step:

1. turn it on standby.
2. wait 30 seconds, turn the power off.
3. go drink out of the toilet.
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#4
it won't break, it just sucks life out of the tubes.
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#5
Quote by theoreticmusic
dear jesus. do the same process, except in reverse.


if you struggle with that logic, here's step by step:

1. turn it on standby.
2. wait 30 seconds, turn the power off.
3. go drink out of the toilet.


way to be an asshat
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#6
Yeah, so to turn it on do this:
1) Standby on
2) Power on
3) Wait a minute
4) Standby off
5) Have fun

To turn off
1) Standby on
2) Wait 5 minutes
3) Power off


The reason that you wait longer when turning it off is because during play, those tubes get surprisingly hot (depending on how loud/how much gain you used).
Think of this as a cooldown after an excersise. You gotta let those tubes cool down a little before shutting the amp off.
#8
Quote by seanbabs
Yeah, so to turn it on do this:
1) Standby on
2) Power on
3) Wait a minute
4) Standby off
5) Have fun

To turn off
1) Standby on
2) Wait 5 minutes
3) Power off


The reason that you wait longer when turning it off is because during play, those tubes get surprisingly hot (depending on how loud/how much gain you used).
Think of this as a cooldown after an excersise. You gotta let those tubes cool down a little before shutting the amp off.



there's no reason to wait 5 minutes. there's no proven science there. 30 seconds is plenty of time. after a minute, they aren't cooling off any more than they would be with the amp off.


and in defense of my "asshat" self: he clearly knew how to turn the amp on the proper way, and it's not exactly difficult to figure out how to turn the damn thing off. i'll be an asshat all i want.
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#9
Looking at pics of the screamer 50, specific instructions for start up are as follows:

1. Both switches (power and standby) in down position.
2. Power switch to on.
3. Wait at least 30 seconds.
4. Standby switch to up position (off standby).

Shut down:

1. Standby switch to down position (on standby).
2. Power switch to off.

Theres no need to wait when switching the amp off between switching the standby and power switches to off. Just dont do them at the same time and do the standby switch first.
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#10
I've heard it both ways for shutting it off - even from amp manuals - but i agree they need to cool down a bit. Especially since my amp gets so hot i can barely touch the knobs after an hour or so (which is why i agree, i had a tube crack after shutting it right down in a cold room, even though the manual said nothing about shutdown).
#11
Turn it straight off... - both switches! I normally switch standby first though...

All standby does is prevent full power from going straight into the cold amp - which is irrelevant when turning off...
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#12
Quote by theoreticmusic
dear jesus. do the same process, except in reverse.


if you struggle with that logic, here's step by step:

1. turn it on standby.
2. wait 30 seconds, turn the power off.
3. go drink out of the toilet.


dear jesus, the problem is that it actually doesn't matter. you need to turn it on using standby so that the filaments etc. in the power tubes have time to warm up so that the cathode doesn't get stripped of its electrons. this obviously doesn't matter on turning off.

of course, if you do the process in reverse (which a lot of people do), it does save you having to remember to switch to standby next time you turn it on. but it's not necessary.

if you struggle with that logic, here's a step by step guide:

1) read up on tube-based electronics before slagging of other people for being no more of a moron (in fact, much much less of one) than you are. at least the threadstarter admitted he didn't know the answer, and has been nothing but polite and courteous throughout the thread.

go away.

anyway, to no lolage: as i said, it doesn't matter. don't worry about asking questions about stuff you don't know, a few years ago i knew nothing about tube amps either, and i learnt by asking questions like you have done.

to all the eejits saying that the tubes need time to cool down, could you please explain how LEAVING THE TUBE HEATERS TURNED ON (which is what leaving the standby switch in the "standby" position does) will help them to cool down?



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#13
Quote by mck_776
Turn it straight off... - both switches! I normally switch standby first though...

All standby does is prevent full power from going straight into the cold amp - which is irrelevant when turning off...


exactly.
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#14
Quote by Dave_Mc
dear jesus, the problem is that it actually doesn't matter. you need to turn it on using standby so that the filaments etc. in the power tubes have time to warm up so that the cathode doesn't get stripped of its electrons. this obviously doesn't matter on turning off.

of course, if you do the process in reverse (which a lot of people do), it does save you having to remember to switch to standby next time you turn it on. but it's not necessary.

if you struggle with that logic, here's a step by step guide:

1) read up on tube-based electronics before slagging of other people for being no more of a moron (in fact, much much less of one) than you are. at least the threadstarter admitted he didn't know the answer, and has been nothing but polite and courteous throughout the thread.

go away.

anyway, to no lolage: as i said, it doesn't matter. don't worry about asking questions about stuff you don't know, a few years ago i knew nothing about tube amps either, and i learnt by asking questions like you have done.

to all the eejits saying that the tubes need time to cool down, could you please explain how LEAVING THE TUBE HEATERS TURNED ON (which is what leaving the standby switch in the "standby" position does) will help them to cool down?





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#15
^ exactly (to the not being afraid of asking questions bit, not the ownage thing, though for that too ).

oh, i tried to edit my original post, but my computer crashed- it shouldn't do any harm to flick to standby before turning off, as it minimises the chance of human error in accidentally turning it on next time without engaging standby- but it's not electrically necessary.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#16
I always love when this question arises. It's always a giant arguement. At least its entertaining.
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#17
Dave, is it true that if you leave the amp on standby for a while (10-15 seconds will usually do it, the standby light slowly fades) it will drain some caps? Because I usually do that. If I don't wait, I get a pop when I turn the power off. Wait -> no pop. Now I'm not 100% sure that pop is actually harmful (I think it might wear the speakers down a little - not much tho), but it's annoying at least.
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#18
i heard it was the opposite- if you turn it off immediately, it'll drain the caps (especially if you're strumming the strings while turning off). not sure if that's true, but it does kinda make sense in that caps store charge to release when it's needed, and if you're still playing while the amp is turning off, some of that charge might be released by the caps to give you a few extra milliseconds of playing...

could be wrong though.

as i said, though, turning to standby first has other advantages... just i took issue with that dude's snooty attitude, especially when he was wrong.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#19
Quote by theoreticmusic
it won't break, it just sucks life out of the tubes.

lmao, Epic fail
#20
a dude in a shop once swore blind to me that the amps in his studio were really sore on tubes because the guys coming in to record with them didn't switch to standby before turning off. i didn't know as much about tube amps as i do now (i still don't know much, lol, just i'm not completely clueless any more), but even then i was kinda like o_O
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#21
Quote by Dave_Mc
dear jesus, the problem is that it actually doesn't matter. you need to turn it on using standby so that the filaments etc. in the power tubes have time to warm up so that the cathode doesn't get stripped of its electrons. this obviously doesn't matter on turning off.

of course, if you do the process in reverse (which a lot of people do), it does save you having to remember to switch to standby next time you turn it on. but it's not necessary.

if you struggle with that logic, here's a step by step guide:

1) read up on tube-based electronics before slagging of other people for being no more of a moron (in fact, much much less of one) than you are. at least the threadstarter admitted he didn't know the answer, and has been nothing but polite and courteous throughout the thread.

go away.

anyway, to no lolage: as i said, it doesn't matter. don't worry about asking questions about stuff you don't know, a few years ago i knew nothing about tube amps either, and i learnt by asking questions like you have done.

to all the eejits saying that the tubes need time to cool down, could you please explain how LEAVING THE TUBE HEATERS TURNED ON (which is what leaving the standby switch in the "standby" position does) will help them to cool down?






i'm owned.
I'm putting my GAS on hold
for a couple months in order to pimp my ride.


Don't judge me.
#22
Honestly I don't even know if that's what made my tube crack, but now I've gotten lazy and comfortable again, and just hit standy and then off, like a millisecond between each other... btw this is probably the dumbest arguement ever, next to the arguement of whether to hold in the clutch or put it in neutral at a stoplight...
#23
Quote by theoreticmusic
i'm owned.


hey, at least you admitted it.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

Quote by K33nbl4d3
Presumably because the CCF (Combined Corksniffing Forces) of MLP and Gibson forums would rise up against them, plunging the land into war.

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Et tu, br00tz?
#24
My Deluxe 'Verb only works when power and standby are both on.
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#25
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My Deluxe 'Verb only works when power and standby are both on.



uhhhhhhhhhhh..?
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uhhhhhhhhhhh..?


IDK, every one I used had to be turned on, both switches, and then it would turn on.
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#27
Quote by SZ320man
Honestly I don't even know if that's what made my tube crack, but now I've gotten lazy and comfortable again, and just hit standy and then off, like a millisecond between each other... btw this is probably the dumbest arguement ever, next to the arguement of whether to hold in the clutch or put it in neutral at a stoplight...


It's not that dumb of an arguement if you owned a 7-bolt DSM or one of the other cars that ended up with crankwalk due to excessive wear on the thrust bearings...