#1
Not getting the metal tone i want on my rig thats in the signature,
Im using the blackstar pedal. Do you think it will be better when i get my new schecter guitar or will it still be fizzy with a not tight low end?, Could a speaker swap improve things, like a vintage 30? And maybe i could get a seymour duncan twin tube mayhem instead of using the blackstar pedal?
Im getting a isp decimator also to clean up(from noise) the tone.

Do i really need to get a new amp to get a good metal tone like some people have said before? If thats the only way what amp would you recomend that sounds good at apartment levels?

Im working on the seas for 1 month more, so wont be able to test anything out in a while..
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#3
I'm getting great metal tones with my POD XT Live through a 5 watt valve junior. Amp modeling is pretty good through this thing.
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#4
You won't get a good metal tone from 5 watts...
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#6
I think the pedal is your problem. New amp is best if you have an allowing budget.
#7
been thinking of a engl fireball or engl blackmore, but its pretty expensive.. but it may be worth it? Instead of spending loads on stuff that dont make a difference. Would those amps handle acdc and gunsnroses aswell?
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#8
black more is more classically voiced than the other engls. But engls are bright but maybe check out an orange rocker, would be better for those bands, then buy a pre amp such as the twin tone mayhem for uber brootalz metal sound
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#9
The reason your low-end is loose sounding is because...well... you're using a 5W amp.

The reason most metal amps are higher wattage is so you don't get too much power tube saturation when you turn it up, which in turn makes your low-end sound flubby. Having a 5W amp and turning it up loud isn't going to produce very good metal tones, not to mention the amp itself just isn't voiced for it.
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#10
^right on the money listen to thsit guy, right on point with the wattage thing.
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#11
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A nice EQ (think MXR 10-band) should be good for what you want.


This won't help much.

The Little Giant won't overdrive enough to get metal tones on it's own. You would need a good distortion. It can be done, despite what people are saying. If you don't believe me, check youtube. The Metal Muff is supposed to be good. I used a MI Audio Crunch Box.

Having said that, if you ever want good metal tones at band level volume, you will need a higher wattage amp. But a little giant + a good pedal = good practise metal tones.
#12
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The reason your low-end is loose sounding is because...well... you're using a 5W amp.

The reason most metal amps are higher wattage is so you don't get too much power tube saturation when you turn it up, which in turn makes your low-end sound flubby. Having a 5W amp and turning it up loud isn't going to produce very good metal tones, not to mention the amp itself just isn't voiced for it.


This is for when i use none of the amps natural distortion?, if only use the dist i get from a pedal , its still like that? I have changed tubes in my amp, and will get v30 speakers soon, is it still not voiced at all for metal? What is it that make it voiced for whatever its voiced for? :P

Getting a high end metal pedal like, seymour duncan twin tube mayhem or zvex box of metal, would that still be bad?

the pedal i use now isnt made for metal

would a 100w clean amp with a box of metal pedal sound alot better than 5w clean amp?
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Last edited by Jaekae at Oct 3, 2008,
#13
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This is for when i use none of the amps natural distortion?, if only use the dist i get from a pedal , its still like that? I have changed tubes in my amp, and will get v30 speakers soon, is it still not voiced at all for metal? What is it that make it voiced for whatever its voiced for? :P

Getting a high end metal pedal like, seymour duncan twin tube mayhem or zvex box of metal, would that still be bad?

the pedal i use now isnt made for metal

would a 100w clean amp with a box of metal pedal sound alot better than 5w clean amp?

The Circuit in that amp has to be modded to hell and back to make it "metal". And it's still only 5w, so saturation will occur at moderate volumes. And it depends on what 100w Clean amp you're talking about. Generally, yes.
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#14
TS, what you should do is just buy another amp. possibly a Bugera 6550 copy and use THAT for metal tones. i understand what you want, but unless you're happy with settling for a passable metal tone for practice only, you're prolly not gonna get what you want with a new pedal. at the same time, however, you DON'T wanna get rid of your vintage voiced amp in the inevitable case that you want to play british voiced stuff. this is why i've got two tube amps, my blackheart for everything that's vintage voiced and up to mid gain, and heavy gained thrashy stuff; and my RM50 does everything from clean to heavy heavy dark metal.

so yea, don't get rid of your blackheart, just invest in a second tube amp that handles what you're wanting. you could easily get a 5150 for a low amount and use that strictly for hi gain metal.

like i said...you get rid of that blackheart and eventually you'll kick yourself in the head. it's great for what it was made for, GREAT. lol.

slash_edit: plus, it's a nice luxury having two amps to choose from. get an A/B/Y box and you can experiment with having the best of both worlds at the flip of a switch.
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#15
hmm seems like i will have to give up on making it a metal monster ^^

in this case ill need a highwatt amp that doesnt need to be cranked to sound good, and nice tones without any dist pedals, probably a ENGL Fireball? And if i get that one i should probably get a better cabinett also which will set me back 1500 euros
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#16
well if you're gonna be spending a good amount of money, check out the Randall MTS series. ANY sound you want, you can get. ALL tube. you can get the 20 watt (hold one module, or 'channel' at a time) one and use it strictly for metal. i believe you're able to switch between EL84s and 6L6s depending on how you want it. they've got so many modules modeled off of hi gain amps, you'll find what you want i'm sure. you really should check em out, they are quite nice amps.

edit: i just re-read your post and saw that you preferred a high watt, you can get the RM50 (50 watts) and i'm sure that'd be perfect. it's what i use. you have a lotta options, so make sure you do a lot of research!
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