#1
Been looking at the Epi Valve Junior and other small tube amps. I really like the tone and features of the little giant in some demos i heard. Looking for a better practice amp than my current abomination. I play pretty high gain metal (Children of Bodom, As I Lay Dying, Etc.).

I was wondering how you think it would work for me. I'm planning on using my metal muff, but will this amp sound better with an overdrive pedal, Tubescreamer etc. And with that OD pedal do you think i could get enough gain for what i play.

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#2
you're better off skipping the blackheart and getting something designed to handle high gain better. even driving the lil giant wont give you a satisfactory high gain tone on a budget in comparison to the way something like the krank rev jr would.

the valve jr on the other hand. ive seen a modded one give some sick metal tones
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#3
I love the little giant i was thinking about getting one. But i play a lot more rock then metal, but I do love metal. But i don't think that your gonna get what you want out of it. You could throw a dist pedal, or maybe an OD pedal when the BH is cranked.

But im not sure you'll get the sounds you want. But for a 5 watt all tube practice amp it might
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#4
i'm in love with the rev jr. but it's out of my price range, anything in the sub 400 range that you guys think would work?

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#5
i get a great metal tone using a modded epi vj and a metal muff.
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i get a great metal tone using a modded epi vj and a metal muff.


Well what mod's are we talking about? cuz i'm not to handy with the tools LOL.

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#7
your just using the metal muff for a metal tone. as for the gain on the metal muff you don't need to use much at all between 9 and noon at the most. as far as modding don't worry about much more than maybe swapping some tubes to nail your sound. very simple to do. and you might find a tone YOU like with out even having to do that.
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#8
Quote by mmjohn
your just using the metal muff for a metal tone. as for the gain on the metal muff you don't need to use much at all between 9 and noon at the most. as far as modding don't worry about much more than maybe swapping some tubes to nail your sound. very simple to do. and you might find a tone YOU like with out even having to do that.


Sounds cool, Got one question though? When you turn the VJ up isn't it gonna be dirty? I've put my metal muff in front of dirty amps before, and it sounded crap. Am I missing something?

And I like a lot of gain, Normally have the gain on the metal muff around 2 o clock.

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#9
i never have to turn my vj above 11 o'clock and the level on the muff to around noon and use my eq pedal to dail it all in and and it is way loud enuff for the bedroom. just remember the more you turn up a single channel the more it breaks up so the more you have to back down on the gain on your distortion pedal. i have swapped out the preamp tube in my vj to a 12at7 for more clean headroom.
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#11
I don't wanna get a SS amp. Thanks MM. I'm in love with the Rev Jr. But It's a lot more. I just gotta try them all out and see if the Krank is worth the extra money.

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#12
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fo that money get a cube or a vyper or valavlettronix


He's already got pedals. The Vj will spank all those amps for tone. Haven't tried the vyper 75, but the vyper 30 sounds a bit muffled for my taste.
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#13
My local guitar shop is pretty well stocked amp wise. gonna go in sometime and check some out. Hopefully I can find a VJ. and i'm planning on getting some more effects, delay, phaser etc. so I don't need some halfassed modeling amp.

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#14
^There ya go.
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Quote by Necrophagist777
My local guitar shop is pretty well stocked amp wise. gonna go in sometime and check some out. Hopefully I can find a VJ. and i'm planning on getting some more effects, delay, phaser etc. so I don't need some halfassed modeling amp.

i would suggest a eq and reverb pedal for sure.
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#16
Quote by mmjohn
i would suggest a eq and reverb pedal for sure.


I'm a reverb addict so i'll get one of those and a MXR carbon copy delay for sure, I hear the MXR 10 band eq is nice too.

The nice thing is i can get the VJ with a few pedals for the price of the rev jr. on its own.

EDIT: what do you think the best 1x12 cab for it would be.

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Last edited by Necrophagist777 at Sep 26, 2008,
#17
The MXR 10 band is outstanding and a good match to the Vj. Only other pedal i use (besides a POD XT Live) is a dyna comp so I can't help you there. i have the Matching cab and it's ok. I also run 2x10's from time to time from my PA with it and it's a bit better I think, but inconvenient with my setup. I'm also using a variax most of the time and constantly switching between sound sources. If they have the head whereever you go, plug into a few different cabs. I'm itching to try 4x12's
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#18
Yea, the matching cab from what i hear is hit and miss. The blackheart cab isn't too bad and the krank rev jr. cab is beastly looking just about 100 more than others. I think i've got the info i need to start going out and tryin some.

Thanks for all the help.

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#19
The difference between the blackheart cab and Vj is openback for the Vj and closed back for the blackheart. Not sure, but i think the speaker may be the same. lady luck.
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#20
The closed back is gonna have better low end right? Cuz my amp now is open back and it sounds horrible during breakdowns, like its gonna fall apart lol. It appears the VJ cab has the lady luck and the blackheart has a Blackheart by Eminence speaker. the krank cab has an eminence legend speaker.

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Last edited by Necrophagist777 at Sep 26, 2008,
#21
alot of ppl tell me its impossible to get a good metal tone from my blackheart.

could someone give a detailed answer to why a 5w tube amp cant do metal with a distortion pedal, i understand it cant do it without the pedal, so what is it that make it a bad tone with one? Would a 50w tube amp with the same pedal sound alot better than a 5w with that pedal ?
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#22
Would the Epiphone Valve Standard 1x12 Combo be better for me than the 5w head?

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#23
Jaekae, it's not that it can't do a decent metal tone, it's really just not designed with that sound in mind. It's got more of a "vintage" type sound. If a 50 watt amp had the same type of design, it would sound similar, but they don't build 50 single ended class A amps very often today.

T.S. As for the cab, because I reject the idea of the combo (head will be easier to work on, looks cooler,) I have the Blackheart cab and it is definatly quality. You might not like the speaker, but it sounds okay to me and a speaker swap is easy. I also might add closed back cabs generally have better bass respose, and a tigher low end, so I think any one you might get should be closed back.

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#24
You do realise, he already bought his new amp? This is a fairly old thread too.

Anyway on the subject, around another week untill i get mine...
#25
I don't spend too much time on here, just a little lurking at work, any way...

They are great little amps I don't know what I'd do without mine. It's my baby JTM-45.
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