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stefan1988
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#1
im so freaking frustrated

i have a metronome log that i started on 2/23/2008 and my max speed then was 120 today is 9/26/2008 and im still playing at the same damm speed about 7 months have passed and not even 10bpm increase or anything

i have a guitarpro file that i used the typical 1234 exercise and another one
that goes like this

you hit 000 in between each note 15,000,14,000,12,000,11,000,12,000, kind like this and you do it for all the notes on the bottom

15,14,12,11,12,11,8,7,5,3,2,3,0

so i been doing the same damm thing over and over and over and not progress whatsoever i spend half an hour on the exercises and sometimes 3 hours or more
sometimes even my hand goes numb from doing this all day

here is an old thread that i posted awhile ago
http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=941501

i been doing the exercise with all kind of increments from 60-120bpm in increases of 1 that leaves my hand numb from picking all the time since then i have changed my approach to increase in 5's from 60-120 in increases of 5 i still hit a barrier at 120

i have read other threads here in hope for an answer as well i check my posture i tried playing standing up,sitting down i still hit that barrier at 120

i have messed with the way i grab the pick
all the motions of my hand come from the wrist
i dont anchor i can lift my hand completely off the guitar and be able to float and pick like that
i try to be relax all the time

i dont know what the hell im doing wrong is there anything else im missing here that im overlooking? does it take more than 7 months for an increase of 5bpm or more?

this has me by the balls all the stuff i want to play is fast like metallica,megadeth,paul gilbert,steve vai,yngwie malsteem,necrophagist and other stuff

im unable to expand my repertoire since all the stuff i want to play is crazy fast i been learning scales since is something that doesnt require speed

what can i do to solve this problem?how should i practice?

any help,tips,advice is appreciated
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leftykid
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#3
man...i am the exact same way. i have played the same speed for about a year now. anything above that pretty much sounds like guitar giberish. it has definatly shaped my playing style. pm me dude.
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#4
sounds like your practice routine is your problem...

try a different exercise, for one. you've been playing the same thing for 7 months and hating it... after all this time, it probably sounds wrong to increase the speed because of what you're used to hearing.

try going to a faster tempo but not playing on every beat. then work up to playing every beat or double time, or whatever

consider that the problem may also be in your fretting hand. often i have been cursing my picking hand for any lack of progress on various fast riffs, and then i realize that it sounds clumsy because my fretting hand isn't getting to the next fret at the right time

learn different types of music. and not just because you should. do it because it will teach you different things about timing that will help you understand rhythm better. and also because a break from the norm often fosters sudden growth.

there's no rule against anchoring your pick hand either. some people can play much faster like that.

and lastly, although i'm HOPING that you already do this, make sure to alternate pick! it doubles your speed.
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this helped me but try the finger weights ring things. i think u can get em at musicans friend
stefan1988
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try a different exercise, for one. you've been playing the same thing for 7 months and hating it... after all this time, it probably sounds wrong to increase the speed because of what you're used to hearing.


i do different exercises all the time but usually this is the one i concentrate the most since i know it so well fingers know it inside out


consider that the problem may also be in your fretting hand. often i have been cursing my picking hand for any lack of progress on various fast riffs, and then i realize that it sounds clumsy because my fretting hand isn't getting to the next fret at the right time


i dont think my hammer on's are so slow let me record something and show you some of my playing

and lastly, although i'm HOPING that you already do this, make sure to alternate pick! it doubles your speed.


yeah 120 is my max with alternate picking
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i do different exercises all the time but usually this is the one i concentrate the most since i know it so well fingers know it inside out


You'll improve more if you work more on the exercises that your fingers don't know inside and out more than the ones they do.

Overall, this thread seems like it needs freepower's advice...he's typically pretty good with this kind of stuff...
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#8
Well to be honest without a video we can't really tell you what's wrong BUT:

If you're topping out at 120 bpm then there's something wrong with your technique. What exactly that is I don't know but the two main culprits tend to be:

1 - Tension - This is a real killer but seeing as how you say you're not playing with any tension then I have my doubts about it.

2 - Economy of Motion - Your movements are likely to be just too big for you to force them any faster, you need to slow down a whole lot and watch freepower's video on correct practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNhhyrnINIU
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^ +1

It's got to be a combo of technique and how your practicing. If there's any way you could record a video, I'm confident I (or a number of others on the forums) could help you pinpoint it.

Things/Questions -
1) If you have been practicing the same thing for 7 months, then that's a major reason for stagnation. Your fingers are just doing what they did yesterday instead of learning something new. You've got to mix it up a bit.
2) If you set your metronome to 124, what precisely happens? Is it just an overall "my fingers won't do this" or a specific, consistent error(s) that occurs (like for example your picking and fretting becoming unsyched)? Study really carefully what happens.
3) How far do your left hand fingers come off your fretboard when you are playing? If your pinky is coming up more than an inch, then this is a problem.
4) Try playing for shorter stretches. Based on your earlier post, you play in a long continous loop, with your metronome speeding up as you go, right? This isn't always the best, since you don't have the chance to "release" any badness that is creeping into your playing as you go. Try something more like playing 2 bars worth, then pausing for a few beats, then repeating. It gives you a chance to reset your technique. Of course, eventually you won't need this, but it will give you a way of getting to that point.
5) I'm not convinced that you are not playing with tension. Particularly because of what you mentioned about your hand going numb.

Anyway, post a video so we can help you more specifically.
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Think about this for a second - why do you care how fast you can play exercises? Speed isn't the be-all and end-all of guitar playing, arguably it's the least important facet of your abilities.

Rather than busting yourself up over a pointless exercise spend more time worrying about actual playing. Chances are you've built this thing up to be so important that there's some kind of mental block going on - you're getting all worked up and frustrated about something irrelevant, and that frustration will lead to tension and screwing up.

Seriously, just forget about it, theres no point wasting your time on things like this when there's music to be made. You've probably got some decent chops, time to relax and start actually using them. Remind yourself WHY you picked up the guitar in the first place, it was to play the music you love so get learning some, don't get all obsessive writing silly numbers down...this is already driving you up the wall and it's only going to get worse, just let it go.
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stefan1988
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it was to play the music you love so get learning some, don't get all obsessive writing silly numbers down...this is already driving you up the wall and it's only going to get worse, just let it go.


you see that's my problem my friend the music i love is too fast for me i do try to play other stuff but i either end never getting the solo because of speed or i end up getting bored of the song since it doesnt inspire me

It's got to be a combo of technique and how your practicing. If there's any way you could record a video, I'm confident I (or a number of others on the forums) could help you pinpoint it.


i will try to post a video later on if possible but my camera kind of sucks so i see waht can i do about it

2 - Economy of Motion - Your movements are likely to be just too big for you to force them any faster, you need to slow down a whole lot and watch freepower's video on correct practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNhhyrnINIU


i have seen all of freepower videos something i dont really get is how much economy i should be applying for example if i keep my motions too small my picking gets weak like volume and that sort of thing

if i try to shorten my motions i feel im tensin up for example lets use the example of a pendulum in a clock as an example the energy it carries i have to stopped it so i dont get too far away from the string i dont think i pick with huge motions but i try to stay really close to the string

) How far do your left hand fingers come off your fretboard when you are playing? If your pinky is coming up more than an inch, then this is a problem.


i have to get a ruler or something but this is something else that bothers me what about when you do hammer ons and pull offs when you have to raise your finger so you have enough power to make the note sound right if i keep finger to close to fretboard and try to hammer like that it doesnt give me enough room to put enough energy to make it sound nice
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Learn other things. I used to try to cram as much practice of the song Master of Puppets as I could, playing it "the Metallica way" and downpicking it. I couldn't get past 150 bpm after doing this for months. My hands got too used to it. So I didn't play it for two weeks and went and learn other fast songs. I came back to Master of Puppets and all of a sudden 175 bpm was easy.
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Learn other things. I used to try to cram as much practice of the song Master of Puppets as I could, playing it "the Metallica way" and downpicking it. I couldn't get past 150 bpm after doing this for months. My hands got too used to it. So I didn't play it for two weeks and went and learn other fast songs. I came back to Master of Puppets and all of a sudden 175 bpm was easy.


im trying that but if the stuff is shred and you learn the stuff slow it just sounds like a bunch of scales thrown together the intensity of the song is lost because of the speed
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#14
Practice scales.
It's said a lot, but it is really beneficial towards your playing.
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im trying that but if the stuff is shred and you learn the stuff slow it just sounds like a bunch of scales thrown together the intensity of the song is lost because of the speed


And do you know how those shredders got their speed? By playing really slowly.
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i have seen all of freepower videos something i dont really get is how much economy i should be applying for example if i keep my motions too small my picking gets weak like volume and that sort of thing


Yeah, this is where things get tricky. You have to make a small, precise, loud pickstroke. The slower you play, the easier it is to get this (and I mean, one note every 2 seconds slow). You need to apply economy of motion to everything, all the time, but you also need to play with a loud consistent tone. Bear in mind, it doesn't take that much force to preform any guitar technique - if you're trying hard (on a decent electric guitar) you should probably change your technique, not just try harder.

if i try to shorten my motions i feel im tensin up for example lets use the example of a pendulum in a clock as an example the energy it carries i have to stopped it so i dont get too far away from the string i dont think i pick with huge motions but i try to stay really close to the string


Thats good. Remember - it takes hundreds of hours of picking practice to make these perfect strokes and speed them up without tensing up. That's something that's just true.


i have to get a ruler or something but this is something else that bothers me what about when you do hammer ons and pull offs when you have to raise your finger so you have enough power to make the note sound right if i keep finger to close to fretboard and try to hammer like that it doesnt give me enough room to put enough energy to make it sound nice.


It's good that you pay attention to the sound of your playing, most baby shredders ( ) just concentrate on quantity of notes output, not quality. However, you need to keep the movements small. Put aside a portion of your practice where all you do is attempt to make small, accurate hammerons and pulloffs. It's difficult, but will improve your playing more and faster than just repeating licks the way you play them atm.

Hope that helped.
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Yeah definately use different exercise. Plus if you hate the particular exercises you are doing you are never going to get anywhere. You need to engross yourself. The problem is almost definately something you are doing wrong. Take your picking down to a very slow speed....like 30bpm or something. Make sure you are playing perfecty and keep it at 30 bpm for say 5 days . Then move up to 50 or so and do the same for like 5 days. If you get to any speed where there is any tension and its not totally simple for you to keep playing...then go slower again. Also try and play the complete exercise say 5 times in a row PERFECT.

Keep working up the metronome like this and when you get to your top speed of say 120 bpm in your case. Go back to 100 bpm, and work up say 2bpm increase making sure everythings perfect until you get to 120 bpm and repeat as neccesary to gain speed. Also, practice things in bursts at the end of your practicing session. This means just play at the highest possible speed trying not too tense. The focus is not on playing perfectly when ding this. More away of letting your brain know that, 'yeah I can actually play that fast'

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im trying that but if the stuff is shred and you learn the stuff slow it just sounds like a bunch of scales thrown together the intensity of the song is lost because of the speed

But that's the ONLY way to learn them - you have to perfect something slowly to have any chance of being able to play it at a faster speed.

Also, you don't get faster by playing exercises, you only get faster at exercises by playing exercises - if you want to play a particular song then play it. Imagine if you'd spent the last 7 months working on a song instead of that exercise....
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Take your picking down to a very slow speed....like 30bpm or something. Make sure you are playing perfecty and keep it at 30 bpm for say 5 days . Then move up to 50 or so and do the same for like 5 days. If you get to any speed where there is any tension and its not totally simple for you to keep playing...then go slower again. Also try and play the complete exercise say 5 times in a row PERFECT.


i will try this see if it works

thanks alot for the advice guys i will try to change my routine a little more and learn other stuff and mess a little more with the economy of motion i let you know in a few months if it has improved
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16ths at 120 seems to be a pretty common plateau for people. 4 or so months ago i was there but then one week i suddenly jumped ridiculously and was comfortable at 130-140 and now I'm up at between 150 and 160. Still not blazing but I think practicing other things apart from picking excercises helped me. Try learning a few shred songs and try to get them down well.
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#23
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im so freaking frustrated

i have a metronome log that i started on 2/23/2008 and my max speed then was 120 today is 9/26/2008 and im still playing at the same damm speed about 7 months have passed and not even 10bpm increase or anything

i have a guitarpro file that i used the typical 1234 exercise and another one
that goes like this

you hit 000 in between each note 15,000,14,000,12,000,11,000,12,000, kind like this and you do it for all the notes on the bottom

15,14,12,11,12,11,8,7,5,3,2,3,0

so i been doing the same damm thing over and over and over and not progress whatsoever i spend half an hour on the exercises and sometimes 3 hours or more
sometimes even my hand goes numb from doing this all day

here is an old thread that i posted awhile ago
http://ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=941501

i been doing the exercise with all kind of increments from 60-120bpm in increases of 1 that leaves my hand numb from picking all the time since then i have changed my approach to increase in 5's from 60-120 in increases of 5 i still hit a barrier at 120

i have read other threads here in hope for an answer as well i check my posture i tried playing standing up,sitting down i still hit that barrier at 120

i have messed with the way i grab the pick
all the motions of my hand come from the wrist
i dont anchor i can lift my hand completely off the guitar and be able to float and pick like that
i try to be relax all the time

i dont know what the hell im doing wrong is there anything else im missing here that im overlooking? does it take more than 7 months for an increase of 5bpm or more?

this has me by the balls all the stuff i want to play is fast like metallica,megadeth,paul gilbert,steve vai,yngwie malsteem,necrophagist and other stuff

im unable to expand my repertoire since all the stuff i want to play is crazy fast i been learning scales since is something that doesnt require speed

what can i do to solve this problem?how should i practice?

any help,tips,advice is appreciated


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stop focusing on speed, and start focusing on music.

Some people have a desire for speed though ya know? To reach a goal, in terms of shred.

So sometimes playing music has to be put on a back burner for a while, and sacrificed for speed building exercises.
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All the advice here is really great and i won't be able to add much. Have you tried Troy Stetina's "Speed mechanics for lead guitar"? It should be a good place for you to start, he also plays each example in two or three tempos so it helps to know what it sounds like at tempo. He does also have a slow tempo to begin with.

One exercise is great to play continuously to get your speed up but it limits you. Drastically!

Relax, play some scales, improv over a chord progession and just let go. The moment you let go thats when your fingers fly. so keep that in mind, if you are in a rut just let go.
Forget the metronome and just play as fast as you want to. You might land up surprising yourself.

hope this helps... enjoy

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I recommend you to watch the John Petrucci Rock Discipline video (is entirely uploaded on youtube). It got some great exercises and tips about increasing speed applied on the most common techniques used on shredding.
Another thing to keep in mind is to get well warm up before playing anything at a speed close to your limit.
Also is important when practicing, not to play the same exercises over and over until your hand goes numb. Try to change the exercise or rest for a while.
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#27
i got the same problem
i can shred at like 170 bpm and occasionaly mess up
but the fastest i can play anything with the metronome is 132 bmp at 16 notes
its been this way for like a year
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#29
ya i did
most of the stuff ive tried alredy
but im theres a couple things ima give a try
thanks freepower
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#30
Just another thought, Shawn Lane (RIP) always used to say he developed his speed by playing above his comfortable zone and then cleaned up his playing after.
Maybe switching between the two methods (playing slower, and playing faster) could work better than sticking with just one?
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#32
The speed might not be the problem but it seems like it is, or could be. Why? Something similar happened to me.

So from what you are saying is that the music you're playing is too fast. I'll tell you my story first, then maybe you can make a link.

Okay so it all started when my friend bought a guitar. At the time, he lived about an hour away, in the "mountains". During this period, we would only see each others once in a month or two. But anyways, that's pretty useless to us right now. So he bought a guitar, and as I wanted one too, I couldn't wait to try it. So when I finally did, I loved it. About a year after him, I finally bought mine.

Of course, when I started he was much more advanced then I was. He could play stuff like Enter Sandman, and I died to do the same, even with my unexperience. So I tried. Enter Sandman isn't particularly hard, in fact, it's pretty easy. But there's where my problem started. Since he could play some Metallica and stuff, I started learning ONLY Metallica songs(yeah, it was also in my Metallica era). It started with Enter Sandman, then Master of Puppets, and it went to the point where I pretty much tried every single songs from them. I thought it was all fine, that I'd get better eventually and all.

But after two years of doing it like this, I realised I would still play the same damm songs, at the same speed, and the same sloppyness.

The point is, you seriously need to take it slowly. From what you are saying, you can only play at 120 bpm. You didn't mention what notes you would play tho. Quarter notes might be fine for you, but 8th's is definatly way too fast to start with.

So my tips would be to first, vary your practicing. Start making yourself a collection of all your favorite riffs in GuitarPro or Powertabs format, and practice those with your exercises. That will make it considerably funnier for you, and you will be more motivated to start with. I'd personnally recommend you Metallica and Megadeth, since they have a lot of easy riffs. I'll even add a little start list of songs that are pretty simple(at the end of my post), and you can eventually add your own to it or anything.

Secondly, slow it down. I know you've heard of it a lot, but there's only one reason to that; it works. Often what I would do was slow down to the point where I could pretty much play the riff, but with mistakes, and I wouldn't realise it was still too fast. In my opinion, here is a few things to keep in mind when you are looking for the good speed;
-Can you play it perfectly?
-Do you actually have the time to THINK about what you're playing? If you don't, you won't realise your mistakes and therefore, they won't get solved. You have to be able to tell yourself like "Ok so if I do that, it sounds wrong. But if I do that, it sounds right." You have to be able to hear every mistakes you make.
-If you can play it perfectly at a speed, don't bump it up yet. Keep practicing at this speed. Once in a while, bump up the tempo and try it out a bit. After a few days, you will eventually notice that when you bump it up, you play it just as good. But really I mean, exactly as good. When that happens, you can probably bump it up "permanently". And like I said, you should go with 4 bpm increases. This is about the minimum speed increase human ear can notice.
-Like previously mentionned, make sure you can play without tension, or at least the minimum amount possible(it's humanly impossible to make any movement without tension).
-Do you find it TOO slow? If it's the case, you probably are at a good speed.

Finally, don't make such a big deal out of speed. The speed, you probably have it already. But the accuracy/hand sync is probably where the problem is at. You gotta work on your accuracy, that's what truly make you play fast. For example, I could play a 250 bpm riff, but chances are you will mess up because of your sync, accuracy or even your speed itself. Heck, you might even be trying to play it too fast. Speed is a by product of accuracy, like a lot like to say. It might be a hard concept to fully grasp, but once you practice slow enough for a few days, you should already see an improvement, at least in your accuracy.

I'll conclude saying, try speeding it down, and play stuff you love, additionnaly to your exercises. You might think you're practicing slow enough, but there's clearly something wrong if you're not making any progress. At this point, you should experiment new things rather then stay in your old habits. Give it at least a few days, a week practicing slower. I guanrantee you that if you can do that, you WILL see an improvement, as little as it might seem to be. Even if it's not your speed, it's gonna be your accuracy. Don't give up and try it out. I mean, you can't possibly harm your playing like this. All that can result is progress.

And here's the list of Metallica/Megadeth songs you should look into;
Metallica
-Enter Sandman
-Master of Puppets
-Seed and destroy
-Call of Ktulu
-Orion
-To live is to die
-One
-Unforgiven 1

Megadeth
-A secret place
-Tears in a vial
-Countdown to exctinction
-Trust
-Symphony of Destruction

And remember; slow them down! All these songs contain rather simple riffs that you could learn(you probably can play some of them at full speed, but I wouldn't advise it, unless you're pretty sure, like Enter Sandman's intro). Also note that I left a lot of songs out. That's not necessarly because they are too hard, but because I haven't listened to these bands in ages. I probably forgot a lot of songs, so you should go out there and look at all the tabs from your fav songs. After all, only YOU know what you can play and can't.

I hope it helps. I got through the same and it took me a long time to figure out the right way to practice(years, in fact). If it can indeed help, then my goal was reached. Good luck friend .
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Try this song: Hangar 18. Slow and steady riffing, nice and smooth there.


Forgot this one, but it has hard parts. I'd recommend only the verses, since the rest is pretty fast. Or like I said, slow them down.
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#35
PARADIGM SHIFT TIME!!!


Instead of picking everything, try hammers and pulls or even tapping.

these videos really helped me gain speed, and they should for you too.


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=efq_lPN2TZE

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=57q5zdvMw58

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3CuibES7Y

Ultimately you should get Rock Discipline by John Petrucci.
Solid DVD and will really improve your playing.
hue
stefan1988
Registered User
Join date: May 2005
3,378 IQ
#36
I hope it helps. I got through the same and it took me a long time to figure out the right way to practice(years, in fact). If it can indeed help, then my goal was reached. Good luck friend


i appreciate your long thoughtful response

today i tried the approach of playing at a really really really slow speed i played around 36bpm and i did this for an hour and i jumped to 120 to see if it really did a difference and it kind of did a little difference my picking was able to keep up with the speed but my left hand wasnt able to and my motions were smaller this time around.

i think i found what my problem is im going to practice a few days like this
and see if it improves my speed i let you know if this method works

should i stay at this speed for 5 days? and then increase another 5bpm? or how often should i kick the tempo speed up?
PARADIGM SHIFT TIME!!!


this is the exercise im doing is on guitarpro the only think i know is that is 120bpm lol i dont know how to disntiguish what kind of notes they are maybe quick lesson from you guys be helpful

http://www.yousendit.com/download/bVlDSkhWT004aU5jR0E9PQ
i check the videos later on im kind of busy right now but i will check them

thanks for help guys i give an update to let you know how it works out for me
my guitar stuff:
ESP JH-600
ValveKing 112
DigiTech Whammy Pedal
Taylor 314CE
Dunlop SW-95 Slash Wah Pedal
Cordoba C7 Nylon String Acoustic Guitar
Metal muff
Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster Ash
The.new.guy
UG Freak
Join date: Jun 2008
3,067 IQ
#37
It sounds to me like you've created a mental black for yourself. It might sound like a simple thing to get over but, trust me, it's been one of the hardest things for me. I've been stuck on the same exercise, at 80bpm for about a month. Now, after reading this thread, I realize you should do much, much, much, more than 1 or 2 exercises!

Not only do I hope this helps, but I thank you, UG, for helping me on this thread!
edg
Registered User
Join date: May 2005
2,035 IQ
#38
This thread is a good illustration of why the skill of guitar is shaped like a pyramid.
You have all the masses at the bottom and that's where they usually stay. A few
make it to the top. The only real difference is that those at the top knew what
questions to ask and where to look for answers.

I think until you wake up to that, you're pretty much destined to be a bottom of the
pyramid dweller.
Erc
UG's ultimate asshole
Join date: Jun 2005
670 IQ
#39
stop focusing on speed, and start focusing on music.


Truth.

I attended a masterclass held by Douglas Humphreys over the summer, the head of the piano department at Eastman School of Music, and he made a very terse remark on technique to a student who had known, but needed to be reminded, that 90% of a musicians technique is in their EARS. I suspect you are making the mistake of focusing too much on the physical elements.

The most important practice one can perform is absolutely slow and MUSICAL practice, where the musician experiences every nuance of the music at a slower speed. I can guarantee you that that kind of practice will yield far more results then racing your metronome on your exercise speedway. (I am not saying abandon exercises and metronome practice entirely, they both have their places, but to lose the big musical picture is the worst thing one can do in their practice)
sisuphi
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Join date: Jan 2008
153 IQ
#40
erc, i don't think anyone who is giving advice in here is suggesting not to practice or experience musical nuances. the thread is about a physical technique. i do agree with you that musicality is the majority of what a musician needs, but that's not what is being discussed here, and i don't think it's right to assume that people are ignoring that aspect of the art of playing guitar because they are asking focused questions.

but fair point.