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#1
Last Christmas, I bought a Gibson SG Classic with dual P-90's. The tone is killer, especially through my Orange Tiny Terror, and the guitar itself is a freakin' work of art. Unfortunately, I've never bonded with the chunky, thick neck, the standard scale, or the flat fretboard radius. (Fat U-shaped neck, 43mm width @ nut, 24.75" scale, 12" radius). In fact, I hate the neck, and my fretting hand cramps up after playing it for 30 minutes.

I recently bought a Fender Classic Player Jaguar Special HH, and I love the neck. I have small hands, and this guitar just feels right. So I'm thinking of rounding out my collection with another short-scale guitar -- a '65 Reissue Mustang. (Small C-shaped neck, 41.3mm width @ nut, 24" scale, 7.5" radius). I doubt I'll ever be able to make a Mustang sound as killer as my SG Classic, but to me tone is secondary to playability.

Anyway, what are my options for selling or trading in my SG Classic? I've never sold a guitar before, so I'm a NOOB in this regard. Does GC do trade ins? What about higher-end guitar shops? I have an eBay account, but only for buying. What are reasonable expectations, given that the retail price for a new SG Classic is $999? I also have a hard-shell case.
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
Last edited by Armchair Bronco at Sep 29, 2008,
#3
The bolding is something that John Dvorak has done for decades with his PC Magazine editorials. I've done a "Joe Biden", and have copied this style. Unlike Biden, I'm not pretending that I dreamed it up.

I've removed the offending bolding in the original post! ;-)
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#4
Here's some feedback I received at another site:

"Ebay - larger audience, listing fees

Guitar Center type place - poor value, immediate trade

Private sale/craigslist - local buyers, beware scams, smaller buyer pool, no fees

Credible local/higher end guitar shop - usually better trade value, want you to buy more gear over many years, better customer service (sometimes)

For a guitar that retails (street, not msrp) for $1,000, you might expect $700 from private sale (-fees if ebay), $600 - $700 for credible shop, $400 - $500 for a chain/bottom-line joint.

Oh, and it's a buyer's market right now - everyone is shedding gear. Look out."
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#5
the 1965 RI Mustang is really great, I'll be getting one soon, you might not like the sound of it if you usually like humbuckers alot...which is a little issue I have with it. It'll really be worth it for you to pay a little extra (like 50-100$ to have atleast the bridge pickup re-routed for a nice humbucker), this mod to mustangs were made popular by Teh Kurdtz, and (imo) his mustang sounds ****ing amazing.

I really don't like the SG much...so this kinda bias but I say get the Mustang, it's a better guitar (imo)

P.S. I want your jag too
#7
I would not do it.

I say this as someone who owns an original Pre-CBS Mustang and I also own an SG (custom shop) and I bought my brother in law a Classic.

The Mustang is ok, but it's kind of a one trick pony. Plus the scale length is wierd. I wouldn't want one as my only guitar.

Just my opinion, having had both.
#8
Quote by Swap-Meet
the 1965 RI Mustang is really great, I'll be getting one soon, you might not like the sound of it if you usually like humbuckers alot...which is a little issue I have with it. It'll really be worth it for you to pay a little extra (like 50-100$ to have atleast the bridge pickup re-routed for a nice humbucker), this mod to mustangs were made popular by Teh Kurdtz, and (imo) his mustang sounds ****ing amazing.

I really don't like the SG much...so this kinda bias but I say get the Mustang, it's a better guitar (imo)

P.S. I want your jag too


I was also thinking about do this -- or maybe tracking down a single-coil sized HB like a HotRail. Dunno what kind of HotRails sound like a Dimarzio Super Distortion, which is (obviously) what I'd like to have, but if I went in that direction I could probably do the mod myself.

I also plan on locking down the trem and flipping the stringer around as I don't use a tremolo. Maybe even turn one of the pots into a push/pull coil splitter.

Seems like there are lots of mod options for the Mustang!
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#9
Quote by SenorSmiley
I would not do it.

I say this as someone who owns an original Pre-CBS Mustang and I also own an SG (custom shop) and I bought my brother in law a Classic.

The Mustang is ok, but it's kind of a one trick pony. Plus the scale length is wierd. I wouldn't want one as my only guitar.

Just my opinion, having had both.


The Mustang would actually by my 2nd "nice" guitar: I already have a Jaguar Classic with humbuckers.

The think is: if I haven't bonded with the neck in nearly one year of daily playing, it doubt that I'm going to suddenly start loving the neck. The tone on the SG is killer, and I'm sure that a stock Mustang will be a big step DOWN tonewise. But it's gotta be comfy, and the SG's neck is just too big for me.
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#10
Quote by Armchair Bronco
I was also thinking about do this -- or maybe tracking down a single-coil sized HB like a HotRail. Dunno what kind of HotRails sound like a Dimarzio Super Distortion, which is (obviously) what I'd like to have, but if I went in that direction I could probably do the mod myself.

I also plan on locking down the trem and flipping the stringer around as I don't use a tremolo. Maybe even turn one of the pots into a push/pull coil splitter.

Seems like there are lots of mod options for the Mustang!


they actually have a JBJR (single coil sized humbucker)

but if you can mod it youself, I say do it and throw a REAL humbucker in there JB all the way if you like the way Kurt's mustang sounded on In Utero

save the Dimarzio for the Jag... if you like the way Kurts Jag sounded for Nevermind (he used it for most tracks on Nevermind)
#11
Well, like I said it's your decision. I would not do it as the Mustang neck is short and it's not all that different from a Jaguar (truth be told I would prefer the Mustang to the Jag as the bridge is better).


Good Luck Let us know how you like it
#12
Quote by SenorSmiley
Well, like I said it's your decision. I would not do it as the Mustang neck is short and it's not all that different from a Jaguar (truth be told I would prefer the Mustang to the Jag as the bridge is better).


Good Luck Let us know how you like it


I kinda prefer the jag in some ways, cause I love humbuckers, but I already got a Jagmaster, so I'm pretty much sure that i'm gonna get a mustang instead of a Jag, but hopefully in March i'll put some money aside for a Jag like the TS's. by then my rig will be complete (in terms of guitars, pedals, and pups....just not the exact amp I want but my current amp is really good )
#13
What I should REALLY do is keep the SG *and* buy the '65 Mustang Reissue.

But then I'll get in trouble with my wife, since I told her two months ago that the Jaguar would definitely be my last guitar purchase! I'm sure most of you guys know how that goes.

(And I'm equally sure that most wives haver never believed that load of crap, either!)
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#14
Interetsed in putting up some cash and trading for an original Pre-CBS Mustang? I can post pics.
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Quote by SenorSmiley
Interetsed in putting up some cash and trading for an original Pre-CBS Mustang? I can post pics.


I would be a fool not to at least ask for some porn...I mean pictures...of the the Pre-CBS Mustang you have. You can post to this thread or PM me -- whatever works.
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#17
My jags neck is to the exact specs of mustangs, it's the best neck iv'e ever played, like butter seriously, but i have pretty girly hands. However the MIM jags have closer neck specs to that of a strat, flatter radius and wider. So other than the scale length, itll be different to your jag. The curved radius is alot more comfy, but you'll have a hard time bending properly after the 12th fret with a low action, so i do reccomend you try it, my tele just feels obsecure to me after playing with my jag for 3 years.

The only difference (and the main flaw for the jag really) between the mustang and jag (CIJ and AV, the MIMs have a TOM i believe) bridge is the saddles, which are easily replaceable for pretty cheap, i have some graphtec string savers on mine which make the world of difference.

Also, a bit of lock-tite/nail polish on the screws stop them from buzzing.

^Pre CBS 'stang? 1964 then, serial number/pics, headstock shot/number too if possible? Im sure thats worth a fair bit more than TS's SG Classic...

Im guessing its the full scale model too.
#18
I see Becky is one of those people who is going to say "SenorSmiley doesn't own (put piece of gear here). You would think she would be smart enough to tell if a Mustang is old/new by the pic above because the real ones look nothing like the re-issues.

If you look at the pictures you can tell by the fretboard it's old. Oh well, some people want to doubt Senor Smiley despite pics, youtube videos, etc....

My dig camera is dead right now so I took a pic of the serial number (L Series) for Becky with my phone. Even though she would not be involved in the deal she wants to try to start trouble.

The L series (although I'm sure Becky knows this as she is an expert) ran up until the end of 1965. The new CBS guitars started with the F series guitars.

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#19
Oh jesus christ get out of your own ass, if you buy anything off the internet especially a preCBS fender youd be a moron not to ask for a serial number anyway, so don't pull that one.

I wouldnt give a shit if you lived in a box in an alley with 2million vintage guitars lining the walls of your alley because you couldnt afford the morgage on your house due to guitar related purchases.

I wasn't asking because i doubted you having vintage instruments, or have any intent of buying it, i dont have that kind of money, i'm just generally interested in fenders of this era, im nto an expert, and never claimed to be thankyou.

So go start arguments elsewhere.

Im guessing its L9x,xxx, which indicates a 1965 fender.
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#20
Actually, the neck/body date is 1964 which is really the best way to tell.

Fender didn't use neck plates in sequence. This is common knowledge well I thought it was.

If you're dumb enough to buy a fake vintage guitar I can't help you. It would be a lot easier to make a fake Strat or Telecaster so why someone would copy a Mustang, go out and find a case, neck plate, period parts, etc... it would be cheaper to buy the actual guitar.

I have a 100% possitive feedback on ebay as a seller and many, many references. If the TS is seriously interested and we make a deal I would provide him with everything he needs to prove the guitar is new as well as an approval period.

I don't think you're interested in buying it so I don't see how the sn is any of your business but I posted it just to avoid the typical "oh that's not real" posts.

I'm just sick of people saying "that's not real", etc.... I mean get a clue. This guitar cost me about $100.00 so if you can't afford that I feel sorry for you.

TS - the saddles are replacement but the originals are in the case. Also, the case is PERFECT looks like it never left the house. It even has the original Fender full color lesson book. It has a Jaguar on the cover and all the cool 60's era Fender pics inside.

If you're interested send me a PM.

Oh and Becky don't worry. Senor Smiley doesn't live in an alley. If he did there would be no electricity to plug in his amplifiers so he would only be able to play his acoustic guitar collection.
Last edited by SenorSmiley at Sep 30, 2008,
#21
AS I said, im interested in fender, i don't claim to be an expert, i only really have any knowledge of modern fenders, because gutiars 2 times older than I am are hardly accessible, jesus, i was just asking questions, i hope you never have kids if you take any oppertunity to get on your high horse and talk down to them whnever they ask you a simple question or show a little interest in your rig.

Exactly why your should ask for a serial number, it doesnt matter if you dont think it makes any sense, theres still fakes of every fender going around.

Did I deny you having 100% feedback? No.

I'm not interested in buying, i'm interested in FENDER, i asked you a question about some of your gear, any other member of UG would be happy to comply and give a little info, but no you have to take everything as a personal attack and a sign for you to arrogantly talk down to them, you truly are the biggest wanker on UG.

I'm 16 love, i wasnt around in the 60s to get one for $100. -waits for the slurrs to start pouring in for being younger than he is which obviously makes me less superior-

Good day.
#22
Becky,

I have no problem with the TS asking for pics, serial number, etc... if they want to do the deal. I'm just sick of people who are not interested in buying insinuating everything posted is not real, etc... despite youtube videos, pics, etc....

I have kids and I let my 6 year old play all my guitars any time he wants.

If you want to name call it's fine. I always consider the source and seeing as how you're a nosey type who needs "proof" of everything because you're not informed enough to know what something is without a serial number it's fine. I usually can spot things without "all the specs" which is how I ended up with a '69 Strat in Olympic White for $450.00 a few years back.

I bought this guitar a few months ago, not in the 60's. If you look for guitars you can find them cheap. For example, I bought a 70 Les Paul Goldtop with no breaks or issues over the weekend for $450.00 - not what I wanted but a good deal. Same with the Mustang.
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#25
Did i say it wasnt real? No.

Did I say you dont let your kids play your guitar? No.

Did I say I was going to buy it? No.

Did I say I have years of fender experiance and an encycolpediac knowledge of all fender guitars? No.

Did I ask for some pics and details of the guitar is question? Yes, because I like fenders short scales and enjoy learning about the history of fender guitars

However a pre CBS mustang for $100 is a pretty damn good deal considering there's a '65 on eBay for £800 which is pretty much 16x what you payed for the 'stang. I'd love to own any precbs instrument, just i could never afford one or have the resources or luck to find one for cheap. Just for reference i am not denying the existance of said guitar, just saying its a good deal.
#26
Fair enough, no offense taken.

FYI - there are a lot of deals out there. Your chances of finding a Strat or Tele is pretty slim but the lower end stuff (Mustangs, Musicmasters, etc...) have a way or turning up at church sales, estate sales, etc... as they were student models. Most of the ones I find are in great shape because a lot of kids got them and then quit playing.

The key is to always be looking. I get up early every weekend and hit the garage sales and go to auctions and estate sales weekly as well. 99 times out of 100 you find nothing but there is always the 1/100 score.
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Quote by SenorSmiley
Fair enough, no offense taken.

FYI - there are a lot of deals out there. Your chances of finding a Strat or Tele is pretty slim but the lower end stuff (Mustangs, Musicmasters, etc...) have a way or turning up at church sales, estate sales, etc... as they were student models. Most of the ones I find are in great shape because a lot of kids got them and then quit playing.

The key is to always be looking. I get up early every weekend and hit the garage sales and go to auctions and estate sales weekly as well. 99 times out of 100 you find nothing but there is always the 1/100 score.


I love fenders more obsecure guitars, the broncos, duo-sonics and musicmasters, never got the oppertunity to play one/see one real life, but id snag one up if I ever got the oppertunity to get one so cheap. The re-issues of the mustang are pretty incredible,and the Squier Duo-sonic looks great too, its on my list of guitars to try out, if the real thing is anything close people are insane for selling them so cheap.

The only thing I can think of thats close to what you described (The UK especially my area isnt really a close friendly community of people that like to organize sales, especially wouldnt leave all their stuff hanging out of their garage, prime target for theft.) is the car boot sales, next time we decide to go to one im deffinately tagging along and seeing if I can pick up a good deal.
#28
bring cash and never act excited. don't ask a lot of questions.

I walked up to the goldtop looked at it quick said how much? paid and left. They were asking 475 i said 450? the guy said sure.

the strangest fender i have is a prototype for the heartfield company. it says fender and has half heartfield, half fender features and is #12. I also have a PErformer which was an odd japanese model.
#29
Quote by SenorSmiley
This is the best pic I have of it right now:

(...snip...)


Hey SenorSmiley:

That's a nice looking Stang, and your initial trade + ca$h suggestion is tempting. But truth be told: I'm looking for a modern, mod-able platform for some Kurtified upgrades, and I don't think I could live with myself if I started routing the body of a 44-year-old guitar.

Among other things, when I get my Stang I want to add a Dimarzio Super Distortion HB to the bridge and permanently lock down (and reverse) the trem. I might even want to upgrade both pups and turn the volume and tone pots into push/pull coil splitters. These mods are perfectly appropriate for a 2008 MIJ '65 Mustang Reissue, but not for your black beauty.
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
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#30
No problem! Good Luck and if you need any measurments, etc.. from an old one just let me know.
#32
I have a couple of them. Some old timey music store near me went out of business and I bought a lot of their inventory. If you're interested in buying the rest of the books (up to vol. 4) contact me.
#35
Quote by SenorSmiley
thanks. $120.00 at a church sale.

Are you kidding me? What a steal! Maybe I should start looking for deals like that.
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Quote by SenorSmiley
I have a couple of them. Some old timey music store near me went out of business and I bought a lot of their inventory. If you're interested in buying the rest of the books (up to vol. 4) contact me.
I'll pass. I never really used the book, but I still know where it is. (Yes, it is the second volume.)

#38
Quote by SenorSmiley
thanks. $120.00 at a church sale.


Holy cow! That's the stuff of dreams!

My ultimate fantasy along these lines is finding something like the guitar pictured above along with a minty 1970 Dodge Challenger (red w/ black top) in the garage of an older couple whose son used to own both the muscle car and the Mustang.

I somehow befriend the old couple, and to thank me for my kindness they hand me the keys to car as they slip the Stang + Case into the back seat of the car.

As I drive off down the street, I wave to them, then reach for the "Mountain" 8-track-tape and crank up "Mississippi Queen"!
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
#39
Quote by SenorSmiley
Here is the pic as promised


Hey SenorSmiley...I just sent you a PM.
"In Power Trios I Trust..."
Gibson SG Classic, Fender CP Jaguar Special HH, '65 RI Mustang
'65 Ampeg Gemini I G-12 Combo, Orange Tiny Terror
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