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I was wondering what`s more important to the music world nowadays...

Style: Meaning drummers like lars Ullrich or guitarists like kirk hammet dave mustaine etc. which arent the best in world at there instrument but still have that unique way of playing that amaze people like me... especialy live!!!!

or

Perfectionism: Meaning musicians like yngwie malmsteen mike portnoy etc. which kick major ass on there instrumeant but just dont Give you that "Holy ****" moment if u know what i mean.... I've seen all of these guys live and i find metallica and megadeth way better the technical guys and bands.

Well I'd like to here some opinions on that, that would be cool...

P.S. I might have ****ed up some words cause my english isn't the best cause I'm from germany.



Freepower edit: please continue reading. The title makes sense, I promise.
#4
lars -> doesn't have style, he just sucks

kirk hammet -> wank E minor with your foot on a wah wah pedal

dave mustaine -> he does good riffs, he's

yngwie -> wank harmonic minor scales and do ninja kicks

mike portnoy -> just pure unadulterated awesome


there is worse technical wank out there than yngwie and dream theater


edit: ooh, substance, yeah, I'd say that
#6
Technicality with style. Trivium, Megadeth, Dream Theater, etc. Lot of good stuff. At the moment, I'm trying to be a good player and not bother about attitude, but once I'm good, I'll start doing some awesome moves!!!

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#7
what I mean by substance is, for example.. two guitarist can play the same riff.. one may sound technically perfect.. but the other is emotional, both physically and tonally. Emotion invokes Emotion, and a great musician has more than just technical prowess, he's able to connect w/ you through music..

perfect example of someone who has no substance.. Yngwie
#8
Quote by seljer
lars -> doesn't have style, he just sucks

kirk hammet -> wank E minor with your foot on a wah wah pedal

dave mustaine -> he does good riffs, he's

yngwie -> wank harmonic minor scales and do ninja kicks

mike portnoy -> just pure unadulterated awesome


there is worse technical wank out there than yngwie and dream theater


edit: ooh, substance, yeah, I'd say that


my toughts exactly
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Quote by jshwak
what I mean by substance is, for example.. two guitarist can play the same riff.. one may sound technically perfect.. but the other is emotional, both physically and tonally. Emotion invokes Emotion, and a great musician has more than just technical prowess, he's able to connect w/ you through music..

perfect example of someone who has no substance.. Yngwie


Yngwie is alright

this is no substance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4MrEtV8zSE
#12
Quote by jshwak
what I mean by substance is, for example.. two guitarist can play the same riff.. one may sound technically perfect.. but the other is emotional, both physically and tonally. Emotion invokes Emotion, and a great musician has more than just technical prowess, he's able to connect w/ you through music..

perfect example of someone who has no substance.. Yngwie


how dare!
black star and far beyond the sun has loads of "substance" and has emotion
#13
has anyone got a band with perfectionism and substance, and not trivium cause they sound like all other 14 yr old metal bands
i mean like wintersun etc
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Quote by Dr. Venom
I was wondering what`s more important to the music world nowadays...

Style: Meaning drummers like lars Ullrich or guitarists like kirk hammet dave mustaine etc. which arent the best in world at there instrument but still have that unique way of playing that amaze people like me... especialy live!!!!

or

Perfectionism: Meaning musicians like yngwie malmsteen mike portnoy etc. which kick major ass on there instrumeant but just dont Give you that "Holy shit" moment if u know what i mean.... I've seen all of these guys live and i find metallica and megadeth way better the technical guys and bands.

Well I'd like to here some opinions on that, that would be cool...

P.S. I might have ****ed up some words cause my english isn't the best cause I'm from germany.


Well you are part of the "music world" as much as anyone here. So the real question is: whats important to YOU.
shred is gaudy music
#16
Well, their style has to come from somewhere, whether their guitar tone, their dynamics, phrasing, whatever (improvisation or not).

Yngwie and others may play with more "technique" (nowadays only means playing faster and cleaner though), and may not enphasise dynamics and phrasing, making them sound not as interesting as others who do....
#17
Quote by GuitarMunky
Well you are part of the "music world" as much as anyone here. So the real question is: whats important to YOU.


Well i already said what is improtant to me. Substance as they named in the first post.... but i wanted to know what the majority thinks.
Because it seems to as if Technique is becoming more important than true substance.
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Quote by Dr. Venom
Well i already said what is improtant to me. Substance as they named in the first post.... but i wanted to know what the majority thinks.
Because it seems to as if Technique is becoming more important than true substance.


power chords are as big as ever
#19
tech=/=substance

and really, I dont give a sh*t how good, technical, or flashy you are. Just make that sh*t rock. Thats all that matters
#20
Quote by PenFighter19
Just make that sh*t rock. Thats all that matters


Quote by PenFighter19
Just make that sh*t rock. Thats all that matters


I had to quote that twice because in my book that is all that matters.
#22
i find emotion in all of yngwies peices and the francesco song too. i can sit there bending a note, playing sloppily and call it emotion but i prefer to be able to play what i want to play perfectly

"The mind is its own place, and in itself

Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n"

- John Milton, Paradise Lost
#24
Substance of course. If I have to choose between someone playing a simple riff well that sounds bad ass, and someone thats technically amazing but uncreative, then I'll choose the bad ass riff anyday.

However, you can have both, and that is what impresses me the most as a guitarist and music enjoyer. Michael Romeo, Paul Gilbert, and Chuck Schuldiner (not quite in the same class as the first two, but still highly skilled) are great examples of extremely skilled guitarists who have/had a lot to say musically through their use of the instrument.
#26
^ exactly. Threadstarter, you are a fool.

What you're calling style is your taste, whereas technique is how you physically play the instrument. Of course, the more you get into your instrument, the more you will discuss "technique" - especially on a guitar website - that's why it seems so prominent. Most people who seem like a technique nut simply wants to be able to create technically demanding music. It doesn't mean they don't have "style".
#27
I got to disagree. To me 2 of the guitarists with the most 'magical' moments are Shawn Lane and Jason Becker. Both played perfect and could play at uber speeds( Lane leaving everyone in the dust of course with the speed thing lol), but both conveyed lots and lots of emotion and are more magical to me than Kirk Hammet, Lars Ulrich and Dave Mustaine. the latter being the only one of the three whom I actually consider proficient seen as Lars Ulrich cant play for shit and Kirk Hammett is on that same wavelength. I may get slated for saying that but thats just my opinion.
Andy
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Quote by Andy_Mclaughlan
I seen as Lars Ulrich cant play for shit and Kirk Hammett is on that same wavelength


huh? what? yes, lars is a total drum noob he can barely hold a beat together and kirk sounds like he's been playing for 1 month. /sarcasm

i can't play nearly as good as hammet so i should probably just give up playing guitar huh.
Last edited by z4twenny at Sep 30, 2008,
#31
Why is this still an argument, Freepower's post covered everything, and it's all opinion anyway.
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Theory is descriptive, not prescriptive.


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theory states 1+1=2 sometimes in music 1+1=3.
#32
^ because if you claim anybody plays with more emotion than anybody else, there's always a huge argument because people can't accept that other people may have totally valid viewpoints.


Like that Kirk Hammet sucks.


I'll close this if it gets silly, worthwhile posts are welcome.
#33
Quote by Freepower
^ because if you claim anybody plays with more emotion than anybody else, there's always a huge argument because people can't accept that other people may have totally valid viewpoints.


Like that Kirk Hammet sucks.


I'll close this if it gets silly, worthwhile posts are welcome.



I think it was silly from the start.

there is no right answer its all opinion.
shred is gaudy music
#34
The way i see it is most people go to gigs (If were talking rock/Metal) to be entertained rather than to sit back and take in the music.
#35
What's the difference. Music was designed to entertain, and this argument is just over which way is better for it, "emotion" or "technique". The fact of the matter is, neither way is "better", because music simply cannot be better then other music, it's just someone or a number of peoples opinion, which holds no merit over the opinions of others.
Quote by Zaphod_Beeblebr
Theory is descriptive, not prescriptive.


Quote by MiKe Hendryckz
theory states 1+1=2 sometimes in music 1+1=3.
#36
Quote by Zakk_Lp
The way i see it is most people go to gigs (If were talking rock/Metal) to be entertained rather than to sit back and take in the music.

I'm going to assume you mean widdly guitar technique =/= a good show.
Stage presence is improved by technique, imo. The ability to easily play your material is important if you want to look cool in any genre. Look at Steve Vai's gigs. The man has monstrous energy and stage presence and widdles constantly.
#37
Quote by GuitarMunky

there is no right answer its all opinion.


this... this is right.
#38
Oh, fuck, another one of these.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Please listen to the "Tornado of Souls" solo or some of Dream Theater's work.

Speedy music has been around for hundreds of years. It's only when it's an distorted guitar that people bitch and moan.

I also don't get why one would want to not be as good as possible at the guitar. Why wouldn't you want to be perfect?

*Reported*

Mods: Can we please get an official ban of "speed vs. feeling" threads, even when they have clever titles?
#39
Quote by Freepower
I'm going to assume you mean widdly guitar technique =/= a good show.
Stage presence is improved by technique, imo. The ability to easily play your material is important if you want to look cool in any genre. Look at Steve Vai's gigs. The man has monstrous energy and stage presence and widdles constantly.

Steve is no mere man

Until someone explains to me which sequence of notes conveys the sad feeling of going to the fridge and not finding the tasty beef strips I was looking for, I'll have to pass off the 'emotion' argument as a bullshit excuse for avoiding hard work.
#40
Quote by bangoodcharlote
Oh, fuck, another one of these.


*Reported*



Quote by bangoodcharlote

Speedy music has been around for hundreds of years. It's only when it's an distorted guitar that people bitch and moan.


Well there is a reason that shredders get the "no feeling" label. It may be unfair to a certain degree, but there is some substance to the stereo type.
shred is gaudy music
Last edited by GuitarMunky at Sep 30, 2008,
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