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#1
Ok so I'm going to build a 2x12 speaker cabinet in my woodshop class this semester, but there's one problem... I can't find dimensions anywhere. So if any of you guys could hook me up with some that would be great

Also I play melodic death metal and some metal/deathcore. (born of osiris, dark tranquillity etc. and some "brutal" stuff as you guys say) so I need a decent amount of bass response.
So what would be better the Emenince Legend or the famous vintage (or veteran) 30? or 1 or each!??!!?

thanks in advance

EDIT: this is also going to be my build thread... so please don't delete it as another thread asking about speaker cab building

another edit: first pic on page 2
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Last edited by Vandals572 at Nov 11, 2008,
#4
I can, Im nearing completion of my own 2x12 cab as well.
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#5
Go measure a cab at your local music store. They won't mind.
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#6
ooookay... or maybe ill just measure my friends avatar 2x12... it sounds hawt.

also anyone have some input about the speaker situation?

one more thing... what are you supposed to use instead of screws so they dont rattle loose. will just wood glue work?
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Last edited by Vandals572 at Oct 1, 2008,
#7
first:

Quote by Vandals57
Also I play melodic death metal and some metal/deathcore. (born of osiris, dark tranquillity etc. and some "|3R0074LZ" stuff as you guys say)

fix'd.

now, as for measurements, you can definitely find'em online, i did

for speakers, checkout warehouseguitarspeakers.com , they're apparently pretty decent.

just an idea:P
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#8
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first:


fix'd.

now, as for measurements, you can definitely find'em online, i did

for speakers, checkout warehouseguitarspeakers.com , they're apparently pretty decent.

just an idea:P

Haha yeah if i were to get the vintage 30 i would just get the warehouse version (veteran 30) instead and save 1000000 dollars.

Ill probably just end up getting two of those.
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#10
Haha definitely.

edit: That's an awesome build you have by the way
Quote by alkalineweeman
If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


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Last edited by Vandals572 at Oct 1, 2008,
#11
Ok, I have the dimensions I need. In about a week I'll be starting this build... pics will be included. Also I'm not going to buy the speakers until the end just incase this turns out to fail
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#12
good call, i did the same... mine's still a pile of cut plywood inside a 2x4 frame... make sure you look at the tutorial in the READ THIS FIRST sticky, lots helpful hints there

and thanks for the kudos on the build! i'm going to get it from home next weekend =D
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#13
Also I'm a little confused about the dimensions.


Should #1 be odd numbers or should #2 be odd numbers?

Sorry I couldn't think of a good way to explain it with words...
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If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


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#14
does it matter? You can make the cab any size, shape you want. Make up your own measurements, make it yours, lol
#16
not necessarily.

if you use the outer measurements as odd numbers, your inside measurements will definitely be odd, as it'll be the same dimension, less the size of your plywood on either side...


like this:

Measurement 1 - (2x plywood thickness),

it's definitely gotta be odd, assuming you're using something other than 1/2" ply... which you should be, at LEAST 5/8", for stability.
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#17
Quote by Vandals572
Also I'm a little confused about the dimensions.


Should #1 be odd numbers or should #2 be odd numbers?

Sorry I couldn't think of a good way to explain it with words...

All of them.
#18
Quote by Vandals572
Also I'm a little confused about the dimensions.


Should #1 be odd numbers or should #2 be odd numbers?

Sorry I couldn't think of a good way to explain it with words...


#2 Matters for sound. #1 matters for strength. If you do some searching online, you will be able to find some information on cab construction, mostly for car subs, but basically its the same thing. The interior volume of the cab plays an role in the sound of the cab if it is sealed. By varying the volume you can enhance various frequncy sections of the sound. Adding a port to the baffel can alter the sound some more, just do some research and you'll find everything you need.
#19
Ok, I've decided to go with the inside dimensions of 15 inches tall by 29 inches wide and 9.5 inches deep. I've started to cut the peices today in woodshop but couldn't get much done because I had to draw out the plans. Unfortunately I don't have woodshop tomorrow but there will probz be pics on Thursday.

For some reason my woodshop teacher wanted me to use particle board O_O. but I'm using plywood... so yeah this should turn out good.

Also, what do you guys recommend using instead of screws? I've heard that screws can rattle loose over time and I really don't want that to happen
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If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


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Last edited by Vandals572 at Oct 28, 2008,
#20
how can it have 2 heights?

jk.

what speakers, or r u still undecided?

EDIT: nevermind fixed.
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#22
ah. good choice, very good choice.
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#23
Ok I have all the peices attached except for the back so I can wire it and such.
Once again i don't have woodshop tomorrow so on Wednesday I am cutting out the holes with a hand jig saw.

Then I don't have school Thursday or Friday.

Im ordering the speakers on Wednesday once I cut out the holes. Soooo not much progress until I get the speakers.

I havn't really had a chance to take pictures but I'll get one for ya'll on wednesday

edit: my woodshop teacher wasnt here on wednesday
Quote by alkalineweeman
If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


mah hardcore band
http://monstersvsaliens.bandcamp.com/
Last edited by Vandals572 at Nov 6, 2008,
#24
Update... with a pic!!!




It's held together with screws and glue.

Also... I know the holes aren't perfect... I used a jigsaw to do it

Edit: Just ordered two 16 Ohm Veteran 30s.
Quote by alkalineweeman
If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


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Last edited by Vandals572 at Nov 10, 2008,
#25
arghh i'm jealous, i can't build mine till midway through december, all my stuff's back home. hopefully holidays will bring a couple 12" s to my posession, and i can bring a 212 back to university for 2nd semester!

*crosses fingers*
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#26
Are you doing it closed back?

I've heard this is better for the tight, punchy sound of metal. Sorry if this has already been said.
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#27
Good luck man

And yes im doing closed back... not putting that on till the end.

Edit: you can see the back next to the cab
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#28
Ah yeah there it is.

Also, compliments on this build, it looks solid man! Good job.
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#29
Thanks

This is pretty much my first build evar (except for the box you have to make in my woodshop class) so I hope it turns out good.
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#30
kudos to you man i proably would have srewed that up a long time ago. when i finally get a peavy VK i'll proably make a 212 my self
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#31
Looks good, but how are you going to radius the corners? or do you not plan on doing that?
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#32
Definitely radius the edges. Its very easy, if your school has a round over bit, do it.
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#33
Couple questions: How're you planning on mounting speakers to the baffle if it's already attached? What are you doing for grille cloth / cone protection?
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#34
I'm just gonna bolt them on.

Today I made a frame sort of thing that goes on the front so I can put on a grill cloth.

I'm probably going to put a slight round edge on it but cant do too much cause of the screws.

Does anyone know where I can get cabinet corners that have less than a 1/4 radius?
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#35
You're doing this a lot differently than I did. Remember to buy acoustic stuffing for the inside, if it's closed back! And you probably can't get corners under 1/2 inch radius, at least I couldn't find any when I looked. But if anyone else finds any, please let us all know. Are you tolexing it, Vandals?
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#36
Well I have found 1/4 in radius corners but idk if I can even round the edge that much.

http://www.bltsound.com/index.php/categories/cabinet-corners
The first 2 plastic ones are 1/4 in radius.

Anyway yeah I plan on tolexing it, but I really don't know how

Also what does the acoustic stuffing do?
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If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


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#37
Accounstic stuffing for muscial instrument and PA cabinets is a pretty controversial topic. I highly suggest researching it yourself before doing it. Although it's cheap and easy to remove so if you'd like, you can just try it both ways yourself.
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I have built the most badass 212 that puts all others to shame
#38
Ok, I've done a bit of research on it. I'm only going to use acoustic stuffing if the sound I get out of this cab isn't as good as I'm hoping.
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If by "clean" you mean "get a finger right up in there and do a good bit of spelunking" then i guess "at any given opportunity" is my answer.


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#39
Here's the frame thing I was talking about. It's not attached yet I'm waiting till I get the grill cloth and speakers.



Edit: You can see here that the circles aren't that great.
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#40
as long as the speakers fit through and can be mounted on the front of the face, you're good to go buddy. If there's any gaps, you could probably insulate that with caulk, or somethiong of the sort.

*craves finishing my cab*
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