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#1
So i joined a metalband, and my last thread got too full for me to ask more questions.

Im playing lead and rhythm in a new band i joined.
MODERN METAL( ie, bullet for my valentine, atreyu)

The other guitarist has a 100w Marshall ( MG100DFX)

So far my results ended up with three amps.

Crate V Series V50-112 50W 1x12 Tube Guitar Combo NEW for $223

50W power
Class AB, all tube circuitry
1 x 12" speaker
Two channels
2 x 6L6 output tubes, fixed bias
Spring reverb
Footswitchable boost function


Marshall Valvestate 100 USED for $222


100 Watt Valvestate power stage driving 1x12'' speaker [VS100R] or 2x12'' speakers [VS102R].
ECC83 [12AX7] Pre-amp valve active on all 3 channels.
3 independent footswitchable channels, 'Clean', 'Overdrive 1' and 'Overdrive 2'.
Clean channel with Treble, Middle and Bass controls, plus Tone Shift switch for extra tonal options.
Overdrive 1 channel with its own Gain and Volume plus shared EQ with Overdrive 2.
Overdrive 2 channel with its own Gain, Volume and sweeping Contour control.
Power Dimension switch to give the effect of the greater saturation of a valve power stage of lower wattage being driven hard.
Built-in spring Reverb with separate level controls for the Clean and Overdrive 1/2.
Effects Loop with front panel Mix control.
Headphone jack [which mutes the internal speaker].
Line Out jack with Speaker Emulation for connection to external equipment.
Extension speaker jacks

Raven RG60 Guitar Combo Amplifier NEW for $200

60 Watts RMS
12" Speaker
2 footswitchable channels (footswitch NOT included)
Gain, Volume, 3-band EQ in Distortion Mode
Volume and separate 3-band EQ in clean mode
Reverb (footswitchable)
Built-In chromatic tuner
Extension speaker jack
(wired in series)
Effects Loop


Which will be best for my to keep at a volume as my other guitarist with the 100w marshall?

which will sound best for metal?

which has the best overall value?
#2
Crate V will sound better.
#4
i say the crate for a couple reasons:

1) its new. it'll have a warranty.
2) its new. you know exactly what youre getting.
3) diversity of sound. if you both have marshalls the sound may blend.

spring reverbs pretty sweet, as well as being a class AB.
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#8
Also: Tube amps generally have a better resale value than SS amps.
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Quote by Shpunt
Keep in mind ill be playing theese with pedals.

A vintage voiced amp with br000talllzored metulz pedal doesn't always make for a decent metal tone. I saw a guy playing a Digitech through his Hot Rod Deluxe for his metal band. Pretty horrible.

It's always better to buy an amp that's voiced correctly for what you play majority of the time.
#16
I LOVE my Valvestate for playing things like Slipknot, BFMV, and Atreyu. You will need a big OD boost or distortion pedal though.
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#17
so if i get the Crate 50w tube amp, and get a hardcore distortion pedal will i be able to nail some metal sounds?
#18
If its one of the older VS 8100 valvestates, they do the modern metal thing pretty well imo.
#19
Quote by forsaknazrael
A vintage voiced amp with br000talllzored metulz pedal doesn't always make for a decent metal tone. I saw a guy playing a Digitech through his Hot Rod Deluxe for his metal band. Pretty horrible.

It's always better to buy an amp that's voiced correctly for what you play majority of the time.

what he said!


save up more, maybe look into bugeras, as they're geared more towards modern metal.
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#20
the problem is that i cant spend more than 230. Band budget.

please dont refer me to any amp that i cannot get used or new for more than $250

And my question hasnt been answered fully.

Would the 50w Crate tube amp pull off metal? With a pedal?
#21
No offense, but none of those amps will get you what you want. $250 is not enough to get you a good amp. A Crate V is pretty good, but not for the music your playing. Like the other guy said, save up for a 5150, and you will have everything you need.
#22
Go with the Crate, Marshalls arent the best for metal and those Ravens arent that good either, so I've heard.
#23
Quote by Shpunt
the problem is that i cant spend more than 230. Band budget.

please dont refer me to any amp that i cannot get used or new for more than $250

And my question hasnt been answered fully.

Would the 50w Crate tube amp pull off metal? With a pedal?

Hey.

#1 This isn't a subscription based help desk.
#2 It is extremely difficult to do metal at $250.
#3 I think every one so far is doing their best to help.
#4 What major city do you live close too, you are going to have to go used.

I don't own a Crate but I don't think it is geared for metal especially modern metal. Oh and

#5 Welcome to UG!
#24
Quote by forsaknazrael
A vintage voiced amp with br000talllzored metulz pedal doesn't always make for a decent metal tone. I saw a guy playing a Digitech through his Hot Rod Deluxe for his metal band. Pretty horrible.

It's always better to buy an amp that's voiced correctly for what you play majority of the time.

while i do agree with the bolded bit in most cases, i think the main reason that guy sounded terrible was the digitech factor.
#25
Quote by Shpunt
the problem is that i cant spend more than 230. Band budget.

please dont refer me to any amp that i cannot get used or new for more than $250

And my question hasnt been answered fully.

Would the 50w Crate tube amp pull off metal? With a pedal?


Why don't you see for yourself if it can... go to your local guitar store, ask to use a dist / OD pedal, plug in, wait 2 minutes for the tubes to warm up (once you put the power on) and then play teh uber gay shredz
#29
The Valve State is definitely the best up there for your needs. Its the amp the Chuck Shuldiner from Death played for a long time. I owned one years ago as well. Its a solid amp. I kinda want to buy another one.
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#30
so ill get the best modern metal sounds with the 100w solid state marshall? rather than the 50w crate right? I also have to drag it to practice. But from what ive heard about the 50w tube, its just as loud as the marshall.

and thanks everyone for helping me
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Quote by Shpunt
so ill get the best modern metal sounds with the 100w solid state marshall? rather than the 50w crate right? I also have to drag it to practice. But from what ive heard about the 50w tube, its just as loud as the marshall.

and thanks everyone for helping me


Wait band budget? does your band understand that good tone doesnt come from crappy digital budget pedals (boss distortions) and low budget solid states ? your band fails at gear choices.

Look for a used seymour duncan convertible. NO WAIT!

Peavey VTM 60 or 120, All tube JCM800 style amp, they go for preety cheap, grab one.
#32
This is true. See the problem with the Crate V50, despite being all tube, it is not voiced for Modern Metal.

The Valvestate, despite being SS actually sounds decent for metal.

Highwaytohell does have the right idea with the Peavey VTM. It's a solid sounding amp that can still be had for cheap
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#37
Quote by forsaknazrael
Save more. IMO, none of those are that great for modern metal.

Your best cheap options are a Roland Cube 60, or a used Line 6 Flextone II or III. The Cube 60 goes for 350 brand new, and I recently saw a Flextone III go for 250 on my local craigslist.org.

Exactly
The Crte is nice but it is NOT a modern metal amp
#39
+1

So I have not played all of these necessarily but it should give you some ideas. These were all posted in the last few days which means there is even more deals the further you search. Just takes a minute if you know a few things to look for.


Peavey Classic 50 212 $350....prolly won't do modern metal either
http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/msg/864713562.html

B-52 LG100 stack $350 (heard the LG is not as good as AT but hey)
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/864586693.html

Peavey XXL head $150 (it's solid state and needs cab but hey)
http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/msg/863897967.html

Marshall MG50DFXBROOTLZ ($325) ...just kidding
http://newyork.craigslist.org/stn/msg/862979126.html

Taynor YCV40 ($500)...need to ask someone about the metal part
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/msg/862346872.html

Line 6 Flextone w/Cab $450...no kidding
http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/msg/862160077.html

B52 AT100 ($510)....Edit: ooops head only
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/861781580.html

worth a look.

and for those that care there is an old Mesa Boogie head listed on Oct 1. $600

also, this is about as close to metal as the Valveking will get stock. $400 new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CI117wHoKQ
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