#1
I'm thinking if it would be better to buy an amp that:
1. Has great clean tones and then put a distortion pedal there to get Pantera/Metallica like sound. Something like Fender amps?
2. Has a great distortion channel but average cleans.

I have a LTD EC-1000 with EMG's and a Squier Strat with single-coils. I like the distortion and clean tones both. I love when the EMG's are screaming and when the single coils give me the clear and shiny tone..

Really bad dilemma...
#2
In you situation i would buy a clean amp, clean amps (especially Fenders) take pedals exetremely well. And there's a massive amount of distortion/overdrive pedals out there to choose from to get some gain from it.
#3
Depending on how much money you have to spend, you may be able to buy one which has both?
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^^I've never liked the tone of a Fender, such as a twin, or HRD with a distortion pedal. Overdrives work great, but like metal amounts of distortion on top of an amp with a huge natural scoop, I dunno, didn't sound good.

I guess with a GEQ and a great tube overdrive it offer a good tone, but after you drop $200+ on an amp thats probably $300-$500 you might as well have went with an amp that can do what you're looking for in the first place.

So I wouldn't go with option 1.

Option 2 doesn't necessarily mean you're going to have a mediocre clean channel. Mesa Boogie's are built with a fender clean. You can grab an F-30 for about $600, F-50 for $600+, excellent clean channels. And good distortion. The 5150/6505 does have a weak clean channel, but you're not buying that amp for the clean channel.
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#6
depending on your budget, you may be able to get an amp that does both.
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there are two schools of though on getting good tone:
1. Using a Clean amp as a base and getting your sound through pedals
2. using your amp as your main source of distortion

the first method, used by David Gilmour and other guitarists who use many effects, is beneficial in the fact that with a flick of a switch you can go from dirty to clean. unfortunately, the true tone of your amp doesn't really shine through, which makes buying something like a Hi-Watt or some other High-End amp a waste of money.

the second method, used by purist players like SRV or Derek Trucks, or just players who use a straight gain sound, is more about dynamics. those who like fiddling with the controls on their guitar and changing their pick attack usually go this route.

if you have the money, get a multiple amp setup. one amp dedicated to cleans, and another for Distortion. just gat an A/B box to toggle between them.
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#8
Well by budget will be about 500 Euros.. I'd am 90% sure that a tube amp would be best. So something like :
Fender blues junior : http://www.thomann.de/de/fender_blues_junior.htm
Peavey classic 30 : http://www.thomann.de/de/peavey_classic_30.htm (well its about 600, but maybe I could get the money or buy it used)
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Fender hot rod deluxe : http://www.thomann.de/de/fender_hot_rod_deluxe.htm (definately used)

I really don't have the money for 2 amps, sorry .

And something for distortion like this :
http://www.thomann.de/de/electro_harmonix_metal_muff.htm
#9
I always say...it's very possible to get a great dirt tone with a clean amp. It's harder to get great cleans through an amp that deosn't naturally have them.

Most clean amps, my Twin for example, is extremely succeptable to pedals. That's a great thing about it. The cleans are amazing, and the dirt is provided by pedals.
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#10
It's good to hear that they are very acceptable to pedals.

But i wouldn't want to buy a clean amp and then find out that I still can't get the distortion that I would like.

I play much different styles from blues to thrash metal. Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica, Pantera, Guns n' Roses, Jimi Hendrix.
#11
you want a JCM800, possibly with a TS-9

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it really depends which you need more...
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it really depends which you need more...

this...

Personally preamp gain sounds better to me then any kind of distortion pedal or even an overdrive pedal. Its going to be hard to get really close to pantera or metallica with a clean amp such as a fender. But if all your concerned with is being in the neighborhood of those tones then it would probably be ok.

But it really comes down to two this. If you play mostly hardrock or metal, personally, I would suggest an amp more suited to have the gain to levels that you would like. On my b-52 when i need a shit ton of gain, I use my tubescreamer as a clean boost to drive the preamp harder and to tighten up the gain.

But if the majority of stuff you play is clean, or just a tad bit of drive, then maybe a clean amp is better suited for you and punch up the gain when you need it.
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yeah, exactly. if you need high gain more than 50% of the time (or at least, it's the tone you need the most), it makes sense to buy an amp aimed at those tones. you can put up with the other tones, especially if you buy wisely and don't buy a one trick pony high gainer- the cleans won't be as good as on a specialist clean amp, but they should be good enough to work with. vice-versa, if you need cleans more...
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#16
I don't know why people think that using a Fender twin or something like that with a distortion pedal will give a good metal tone.

It doesn't really work that way.
#17
agreed. gross generalisation, probably, but anyone i hear saying that they get a clean amp, then use pedals for their dirt, normally ends up mainly playing clean... i.e. metal (or even a rock distortion) isn't their #1 priority... which is their prerogative, of course, just stop giving crap advice to people for whom a good distortion IS the #1 priority...

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#18
I really don't know what to do..
I started playing guitar with my strat and I thought that it was OK. I liked playing the chili peppers and that kind of rock/blues stuff (well rhcp isn't blues, but still I liked blues). But when I wanted good distortion, single coils didn't work very well. So I bought a pretty expenstive EC-1000 with EMG's. It gives much better distortion. So I like playing metal and rock kind of stuff but I still enjoy when taking my squier and listening to that twang sound. Though I have a EMG 60 on my ltd that is meant to give clean sounds, I still find my squier strat cleans to be better...
In far future I am thinking of getting a Fender Tele or Strat...
#19
it just sounds like you like single coils better for cleans, that's fair enough. you just really need to decide if you need a high gain sound more, or a clean sound more... or alternatively, get an amp which gets both good cleans and good distortion...
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#20
But are there any amps in my price range 500-600 euros, that could do both?

Still wondering if I could get a decent distortion out of a clean amp? It has to be possible !
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But are there any amps in my price range 500-600 euros, that could do both?

Still wondering if I could get a decent distortion out of a clean amp? It has to be possible !


what type of distortion are you after? high gain like pantera and metallica?

there's going to be some compromise at your budget, but you should be able to get something which has decent cleans, and decent distortion...

e.g.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/peavey_valve_king_112_gitarrencombo.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/randall_rg50_tc.htm

bugera is probably worth a look too, but i haven't tried them yet. if you want a wider range of tones, some modellers may be worth considering too, depending on your situation...
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#23
im nicking dave's thomann idea >_>

http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_lc30_112_new.htm

HOWEVER

i have a swineshead warthog in a bridge position and with my VC15 i can get pretty heavy tones

if you have EMGs you may well be able to get metal sounds out of this

http://www.thomann.de/gb/laney_vc30112_new.htm

if you could, the cleans on that would blow the LC away any day
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Yea exactly, it depends on what IS the priority. I recommend buying an amp suited for what you play as opposed to prettying up a pig to get "close". As well, (like Mesa posted) many high gainers have great cleans.
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#25
I looked at the Carvin's youtube video. My guitar teacher has the same, but with 2 speakers in it instead of one. I can tell that it's a really good amp. More for blues though, I don't think that it suits my playing style. It might handle high gain, but it has a different sound from other amps...

The Randall seems interesting too. I looked it earlier too... I read that it has both good cleans and distortion. Don't know if it's true, but I'm giving it a try when going to the music store..

Laney's - Well I really don't know about them. They aren't used by such a big group of people as the other amps. I have played 2 Laney's in my life. I think they were fine. Whether I had to choose between the two models you guys have offered, I think that I'd choose the LANEY VC30-112N.

I am going to look and compare all those amps at youtube and read the reviews. But you guys can help me, can't you?
#26
Well either Laney or Randall didn't impress me. Videos at youtube were like "Laney Metal, Randal Metall". Almost no clean samples..

So still thinking about the Fender.. I need your opinions!
#27
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Well by budget will be about 500 Euros.. I'd am 90% sure that a tube amp would be best. So something like :
Fender blues junior : http://www.thomann.de/de/fender_blues_junior.htm
Peavey classic 30 : http://www.thomann.de/de/peavey_classic_30.htm (well its about 600, but maybe I could get the money or buy it used)
Vox ac 15 cc1 : http://www.thomann.de/de/vox_ac15_cc1.htm
Fender hot rod deluxe : http://www.thomann.de/de/fender_hot_rod_deluxe.htm (definately used)

I really don't have the money for 2 amps, sorry .

And something for distortion like this :
http://www.thomann.de/de/electro_harmonix_metal_muff.htm



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#28
Lol totally forgot about the Peavey Classic 30.
So, is it a good amp and why?
#29
it's a nice amp but i prefer the laney vc30, especially in europe where the laney is generally cheaper. personal preference and all that though.
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#30
I love my peavey classic 30. Unfortunately it is quite infamous for its tube rattling. The cleans are pretty good, but I prefer its overdrive channel. You can get some heavy overdrive when the pre gain is all the way up and the post gain is like 4-6.

I also play an epiphone SG (which has humbucker pickups) but even though I cant get the shimmery bright fender cleans, it has a fairly nice clean sound on the neck pickup. A speaker change or tube changes can probably help depending on the sound you want...but I am not technical with that.

I also dont use the boost function...it seems to take the grit out of the overdrive plus its not foot switchable.

Well thats basically my experience with the peavey classic 30 (or you can look into the 50 or combo depending on the volume you want to play at). I find the 30 is plenty for small gigs, and anything bigger you can mic the amp with a PA. Sorry for the long read but hope this helps you with your decision
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#31
i'd always get an amp with good distortion. no pedal can match good amp distortion. lus, pedals cost money. unless you wanna get a good clean amp w/ ok distortion and put an OD pedal with it. that's a good idea too.
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#32
Get a used JCM800. I'm not sure on the pricing over there but I think 500-600 euros should cover it? They've got pretty good cleans and the overdrive is really great.
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#33
if you want awesome cleans dont get a classic 30, i think the Fender HDR is a more flexible amp, the cleans arent as beeffy as the peavey.
and yah i think its a great idea to use a clean amp and use pedals to get some dirt.
have you ever tried a metal muff trough a vibrolux, i tough it was grraet.
as for the JCM800 i dont think they go as cheap as they used to anymore, and you might want to look into a 900.
dont make a rash decision, fiddle with the amps your planning on buying in your nearest music shop.
ask for distoritons and overdirives and test them out on the vox, peavey and fender, see whats good and whats not when it comes to going from spankin clean to dirty.
the vox would be a surprise if you put pedals in it to achive some sort of metal.
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