#1
Ok, first of all, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place.-

Does anyone know how to get that beastly sound that bands like Rammstein and Oomph get? That really heavy bassy guitar sound that sounds like a machine growling.... ya know what I mean? I haven't been able to get it!

I have VERY pooey electric equipment, it's not even worth mentioning what I have. There's no chance I can get that sound with what I have, I have tried every knob combination on my guitar, amp and pedal. I'm pretty sure it's in the amp... Right? What kind of amp could do that? Or is it a pedal? I don't like pedals much... A regular amp setting would be better.


Here's a random example of that sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpqUs-cVi9k (it starts about 30 seconds in)

Another example is... Well, you know the sound at the very very beginning of Black Label Society's "Suicide Messiah"? Yeah, that.

I'm sorry for being so much of an idiot, I'm more of an acoustic-oriented person >.<
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#3
Ok, I understand that that makes it more bassy... but what about for that... machine-like sound?
#6
palm muting?
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scooped mids
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your attack, and your hands. a shit load of gain, and an amp that can handle it.


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#10
FallIntoWinter, is there anything a bit cheaper that could handle it?
And I have a distortion pedal, and all it does it make my amp sound like it's stuck in a tin can :\ Although it sounds like that anyway...
#11
i would look up what amps the bands use that you want to sound like. bottom line is that you need a high end amp for high end sound. you're not going to find these bands rolling out a roland cube.
#12
some bands use an mxr blue box it drops the sound two octaves down, nu-metal bands use it all the time

wow, that seemed like an advertisment
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#13
your gonna need a fuzz pedal with alot of gain!, scoop your mids, lots of bass and possibly down tuning guitar
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FallIntoWinter, is there anything a bit cheaper that could handle it?
And I have a distortion pedal, and all it does it make my amp sound like it's stuck in a tin can :\ Although it sounds like that anyway...



personally the cheapest alright thing is a roland cube with a digitech death metal
test it.
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Down tuning for the guitar, and a downtuned bass for the really low sound.




No. It's all in the amp and effects used. High gain + skillz and recording magick.
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#17
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your gonna need a fuzz pedal with alot of gain!, scoop your mids, lots of bass and possibly down tuning guitar


Fuzz is too sticky and spikey for metal. It's great when used over a smooth amp with none to a light/medium amount of gain. Fuzz really lacks dynamics for fast choppy rhythms and metal leads etc.

An all out distortion pedal would be a better choice with a lower end amp but in the end you can't really beat a good amp's distortion.
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#18
thinking about rammsteins tone.

its got some really kick you in the face kinda tone. i'd imagine they're using almost full on mids, probably just more than half amount of bass, and just enough treble to give a bite.

the tone never seemed overly saturated so the gain was probably around the 60% level.

the rest would be studio magic.
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A lot of it is how it's recorded in the studio.
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#20
To be honest, you are not going to get that sound without a high end amplifier. Not to mention Rammstein's guitar tone is made by stacking up to 24 guitar tracks for a HUGE sound. Also, when a bass guitar is added to the mix, the bass sound really comes out in those heavy riffs. I love Rammstein's tone but even I have trouble getting it with my Peavey 6505+. It is very hard to do with just one amp, I believe Richard Kruspe uses 6 or so Mesa Dual Rectifiers when playing live. Here is a pic of his setup I believe.

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#21
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palm muting?


Exactly. Technique is the bottom line. I see so many people trying to get the sound of their favorite guitarists by buying the same kind of amp, pickups, pedals, etc... But what it comes down to is technique.

Hell, I can get a br00tlz (however you spell it) sound out of my 10 watt ss Rocktron, a Best Buy distortion pedal and a Hanna Montanna 3/4 size purple electric guitar, if I really tried.
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#22
Good equipment.

This includes a nice high gain tube amp (like a Peavey or Mesa), and a guitar with high quality pickups to get that very clear sound. It's also not going to sound too beastly unless it's dropped down some steps.
#23
Want to get that evil ****ing in your face metal tone?

Get a tube distortion pedal. Black star makes beastly ones, and mesa/boogie came out with their own as well.

Plus EMG pickups known for the clean sound and high output perfect for lots of gain pumping.

Add onto that a good thick tube amp with cascading gain circuits with good and plenty of tubes.

Now you'd be talking some serious shit.
#24
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Want to get that evil ****ing in your face metal tone?

Get a tube distortion pedal. Black star makes beastly ones, and mesa/boogie came out with their own as well.

Plus EMG pickups known for the clean sound and high output perfect for lots of gain pumping.

Add onto that a good thick tube amp with cascading gain circuits with good and plenty of tubes.

Now you'd be talking some serious shit.

Blackstar make shit, overpriced pedals for metal. They sound very fuzzy and undefined. The only thing they might be good for is hard rock.
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Exactly. Technique is the bottom line. I see so many people trying to get the sound of their favorite guitarists by buying the same kind of amp, pickups, pedals, etc... But what it comes down to is technique.

Hell, I can get a br00tlz (however you spell it) sound out of my 10 watt ss Rocktron, a Best Buy distortion pedal and a Hanna Montanna 3/4 size purple electric guitar, if I really tried.

Please do. I really want to hear that. You can do a cover of Te Quiero Puta for example.

Please do show that it's all in the technique and not at all in the great amp/guitar.
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#26
Full gain, Full bass, about a quarter of Mids, three quarters treble, full volume on your guitar, full tone and last of all tune the guitar down
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Exactly. Technique is the bottom line. I see so many people trying to get the sound of their favorite guitarists by buying the same kind of amp, pickups, pedals, etc... But what it comes down to is technique.

Hell, I can get a br00tlz (however you spell it) sound out of my 10 watt ss Rocktron, a Best Buy distortion pedal and a Hanna Montanna 3/4 size purple electric guitar, if I really tried.



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I would pay to see this, but also I call bullshit.


Unfortunately, I don't have the time to waste on a silly little project to prove my statement. And I sold my Hanna Montana guitar last week to pay for my ISP Decimator.

But anyway, my point is this. We are all tone chasers. We are chasing the tones of those we want to emulate and for the most part, its going to be hard because they have record production qualities that we may not have in our bedrooms. Don't get me wrong, I agree that a great ESP guitar with EMG's going through a Mesa Triple is going to sound a whole lot better than my Audition guitar, Boss DS-1, and Yamaha SS amp (check my profile). But, it might be wise not to put so much emphasis on the gear. Otherwise, you'd be spending all your time and money trying to attain the unattainable.

Find something that sounds close to what you're searching for and just practice those tunes. Make it your own. Develop your own sound and pretty soon, you'll have a bunch of players searching to get YOUR tone.
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Unfortunately, I don't have the time to waste on a silly little project to prove my statement. And I sold my Hanna Montana guitar last week to pay for my ISP Decimator.

But anyway, my point is this. We are all tone chasers. We are chasing the tones of those we want to emulate and for the most part, its going to be hard because they have record production qualities that we may not have in our bedrooms. Don't get me wrong, I agree that a great ESP guitar with EMG's going through a Mesa Triple is going to sound a whole lot better than my Audition guitar, Boss DS-1, and Yamaha SS amp (check my profile). But, it might be wise not to put so much emphasis on the gear. Otherwise, you'd be spending all your time and money trying to attain the unattainable.

Find something that sounds close to what you're searching for and just practice those tunes. Make it your own. Develop your own sound and pretty soon, you'll have a bunch of players searching to get YOUR tone.



+1000000000000 to the red. very well said.
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your attack, and your hands. a shit load of gain, and an amp that can handle it.


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That gritty sound (heard a lot in MH albums) is the way they pick, it's purposefully slow and grinding
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personally the cheapest alright thing is a roland cube with a digitech death metal
test it.



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