#1
.. have enough gain to handle metal by its own ? And does it deliver a good tone while doing it?
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#2
I've got one, if you use the high gain channel you can get a lot of gain, but the best part is that heavy tone, it's not fizzy and thin, amp is full of middle and treble so you can scoop mids and add some bass, you will have a heavy tone that is also good for lead playing, not just for rythm
#3
got one too, awesome amp! but make sure you use 12" speakers
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#4
Ahhh yeah, the Screamers are built for high gain usage.

If you were asking about a Fender Hot Rod or soemthing I'd understand, but an ENGL Screamer?
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Ahhh yeah, the Screamers are built for high gain usage.

If you were asking about a Fender Hot Rod or soemthing I'd understand, but an ENGL Screamer?


ah oki, i thought they where built for versatility :P

Now ive set my mind on it, gonna order it soon
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#7
They are versatile, but they do high gain very well. I have played them many times.
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Screamers are actually the lowest gain ENGL IIRC. They will still get metal decently by itself, but nothing too heavy.


What kind of music is too heavy for it?
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#9
YOu probably don't wanna go shooting out Dimmu Borgir songs wiht it basically, it will do everything perfectly up to the death metal mark, which you would then need a high-gain od like the FUlltone OCD to push it that little bit further. Remember you said 'by itself'
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Yea it's got more than enough gain for black, brutal death, melo death, heavy, you name it. Good thing about ENGL is that their amps have clear gain with definition and clarity, not fizzy beehive gain.

Also, it's the Thunder that has less gain than the Screamer, and is built more for versatility and leans towards hard rock maybe treading some metal territory. Both are still very versatile though.
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now im 100% sure im getting it
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Enjoy, ENGLs are the shit
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ah oki, i thought they where built for versatility :P


they are. you'd ideally want to try it, some think it's good enough for metal, some don't (i personally think it is if you have pretty hot pickups, and don't play metal all the time i.e. need a variety of tones).
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#15
the only enbgl i can try out before i buy is the fireball :| when i get home again

and btw how loud would you say that a 50w tube amp get with the volume on around 2 ?
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#16
they are good, tight and have a nice clear gain structure (if surprisingly bright - but get over it)

i might stick a good compressor in front of it just to tighten the overall feel up even more - but dont worry - its not like a fat Boogie or something that farts all over the place.

i see so many people today swapping Mesa's for Engls - they are tighter, can pretty much reach that low end (hello people! that is what a bass is for) and mainly, cut through in a band or gigging situation!
#17
yeah, i tend to run engls with the treble and presence rolled way back to 3 or 4, with the bass and mids well up (8 or 9), and they're still quite bright.

i'd say the screamer is brighter, more versatile, and a bit less compressed than the fireball. less modern-sounding, with less gain, basically.
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#18
is it bright in a good or a bad way?

is it really worth it to spend 1000 euros on it?

will it be a big difference from my current gear?
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#19
depends on whether or not you like bright tones to be honest.

i'd say it's worth 1000 euros, assuming you like it, considering how much other quality versatile amps will set you back in europe.

should be a big difference, but i haven't tried your amp and pedal (basing that on the other 5 watters i've tried).
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#20
a orange rocker 30 would be the same price, the fireball and blackmore would be around 1500 and the SE that you got is 3500
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#21
oh, i got mine for a lot less than that, i got a special offer.

the orange rocker is a lot darker-sounding, and quite a bit more vintage-sounding, a bit less versatile too. it really depends on what you're after, if you mainly played more vintage stuff, or warmer-sounding stuff, the orange might be better...
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#22
well ill think ill try the engl first, i can allways buy another amp later in life
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#23
good luck
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#24
As having similar amps in terms of sound and gain - the Engl is amazingly bright - the Rockerverb very very dark

Engl does heavy rock (Scott Gorham uses em) and metal better and has a thump that is low but tight

Rockerverb does heavy rock still very well, but it does modern day Zep chuck and clean-up sounds superbly well (ACDC and all that)

Though the Engl i have is based on the Marshall Major circuit so it is a lot more Marshall than any other Engl - like Dave said - i have mine on mids and bass about 7-9 and treb and presence at about 4-5 at most

Both cut through well on band situations and best of all!!! THE BOTH SOUND STUNNING AT EVEN BEDROOM VOLUMES (even if i have mine cranked a bit more)

The Engl can be picked up for around £400 less than the Orange (which, i mean - cmon people is a steal for something that is generally used over Mesa Rectos now!!)

Another tip - definitely get a nice carefully set of matched tubes for the amp (whatever amp) - no amp i have tried or bought new has had stock valves that i actually liked.

I know its not the Screamer, but i hope that helped somewhat!
#25
i have tungsol preamp tube in my blackheart now and JJ powertube, would that be a good combination for an engl also?
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#26
Yeah
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