#1
So my band and I are playing around and have been for a while, and we started playing some acoustic shows lately. As we were talking to the booking lady, she said that there are no covers allowed. I thought it was just to promote original material, only to find out that there is a "raid" on places that host live music. Apparently there are people who have a database of copyright info on their laptop and they check every song that is played for lyrics or music that is under copyright protection. Should they find someone in violation of it, the venue itself is fined around $1000. Now it turns out that a lot of local venues are taking in the no cover rule to protect themselves. It seems a little ridiculous and I was wondering if anybody else had heard about this wherever they play out.
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#2
That sounds... lolworthy. The guys with the laptops must get really popular.
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#5
yeah you need a license thing to play other peoples songs at some venues most places that host music events have these though
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#6
That is pretty riduculous, but I can see where she is coming from the business side.
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#9
thats the biggest load of horsecrap i've heard in a while. Its not like you would be saying..hey this is a song I wrote called "stairway to heaven" and claim it to be yours.
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#11
yeah i've heard about that. cover bands have been around forever and the riaa or whoever makes the venues pay to have a lisence to play cover material. it isn't that big of a deal and some venues don't even follow it. but to have a guy on his laptop searching for the songs is just rediculous.
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Should they find someone in violation of it, the venue itself is fined around $1000.
Sounds like bullshit to me.

1 - There are copyright laws.
2 - Lawsuits do occur when these laws are broken.
3 - A lawsuit requires a hearing and/or trial, in court.
4 - There are no government agencies that I'm aware of who can issue a citation/fine.
5 - Any private organization would only be able to file a lawsuit, not assess a fine.
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stick it to the man and play something by Hannah Montana
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#18
I have heard of that as well. The way I understand it is you have to say who wrote and performed the song orignally before you perform it and you can not be paid to do a cover set. Kinda stupid but that's the RIAA.
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#19
probably the PRS or whatever its called in the US (company that collects royalties from live performances for songwriters) found out they either didnt have a license or the have been alowing live covers without giving a percentage to them.

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#21
Does anybody know what they are talking about???

Any business that is gonna play music to help them attain money has to pay licensing fees.

This goes for bands, jukeboxes, boomboxes, pc based dj setups, etcetcetc.

I can't imagine police types to go around and trying to enforce it, but if they are, they have every right.

There are 2 licensing companies(ASCAP being one of the main ones) that businesses can pay fees, to allow them to play copyrighted music.
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Does anybody know what they are talking about???

Any business that is gonna play music to help them attain money has to pay licensing fees.

This goes for bands, jukeboxes, boomboxes, pc based dj setups, etcetcetc.

I can't imagine police types to go around and trying to enforce it, but if they are, they have every right.

There are 2 licensing companies(ASCAP being one of the main ones) that businesses can pay fees, to allow them to play copyrighted music.


Yeah thats what I ment when I was talkin about PRS
so its called ASCAP in the US ?
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#23
Just fill out a PRS form, and if the venue is not registered, then its not a good venue.

Im sorry but artists need money.
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I have heard of that as well. The way I understand it is you have to say who wrote and performed the song orignally before you perform it and you can not be paid to do a cover set. Kinda stupid but that's the RIAA.



WRONGWRONGWRONGWRONGWRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's totally on the businesses to pay licensing fees. Nothing else has to be done.
#25
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Cover Bezerker or something as heavy.

The laptop would just die on it's arse trying to decipher that.


yeah, they scream the song name/artist anyway, metal cover bands have nothing to fear
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WRONGWRONGWRONGWRONGWRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's totally on the businesses to pay licensing fees. Nothing else has to be done.



...You do have to fill out a PRS form if you do a cover song...
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#29
now that's just silly, unless maybe if you say "these are our songs, not covers", then you're being a douche. But my band just played in a bar last week, and we played 4 covers, and nothing happened.
#30
It's not RIAA It's RIAGAY.

That's bullshit. To have guys on laptops just making sure the RIAA doesn't miss out on a few bucks is just wrong.

That's why you cover Buckethead and NIN. Indie FTW.
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It's not RIAA It's RIAGAY.

That's bullshit. To have guys on laptops just making sure the RIAA doesn't miss out on a few bucks is just wrong.

That's why you cover Buckethead and NIN. Indie FTW.


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Its harder than it sounds.
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Please, try earning money being A musician.

Its harder than it sounds.


that's why you shouldn't become a musician to make money/a living off of it(or at leastdon't expect to be able to). Yes, some people can pull it off, and live moderlately comfortable lives, but most of them have jobs on the side, as for the big bands who have wealthy lives, their music usually sucks anyways.

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that's why you shouldn't become a musician to make money/a living off of it(or at least don't expect to be able to). Yes, some people can pull it off, and live moderlately comfortable lives, but most of them have jobs on the side, as for the big bands who have wealthy lives, their music usually sucks anyways.

Music is not a career, it's an art form, a hobby, a discipline.


Exactly.

cliff_em_all: Granted, artists deserve money for their hard work, but to go overboard and fine a club just because someone wants to cover a song, that's wrong.
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#35
A lot of laws are being passed (or attempted) that are just crap.

For instance, isohunt.com were ordered to hand out IPs of users. Isohunt essentially said no and counter-sued them. Guess who won? Isohunt, w00t.

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that's why you shouldn't become a musician to make money/a living off of it(or at leastdon't expect to be able to). Yes, some people can pull it off, and live moderlately comfortable lives, but most of them have jobs on the side, as for the big bands who have wealthy lives, their music usually sucks anyways.

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#37
that's stupid, it's the damn venues fault for not paying ASCAP fees, they aren't that much.
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...You do have to fill out a PRS form if you do a cover song...


ASCAP (US equivalent of PRS) doesn't require the artist to do that unless the cover is recorded and released, the venue just has to pay fees.
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