#1
I have a quick question for any of you VHT users out there.

Do you have to crank these amps to get a good tone?
Or are they pretty good at low volume?
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#2
i dont own vht, but its given that any tube amp in that category WILL always sound better cranked. tubes are usually not great for super low volumes. you can however use a THD hotplate which helps the tone at lower volumes. and are you decided on VHT? i dont really like them at all but w/e.
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#3
I haven't seen anybody on UG who owns a VHT. On Harmony Central, there's DeathMonkey or SteveVHT (not sure about spelling for either); I'm pretty sure they have a VHT though.
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#4
yeah i might have to go over there and ask them.

yes i know tubes usually sound better at high volumes.
But i'm just looking for something thats better at low volumes than my 5150.

I've come across a couple VHT Pitbulls w/ GEQs within my budget, so i'd really like to get one.
Already read reviews and stuff, listened to a bunch of clips. I think they sound amazing.
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#5
get it. I tried one at a GC with the volume at around 1 or 2, and it was really sweet. I'm thinking my next amps gunna be an Ultra-Lead by VHT, but that's WAAAAAAAAY in the future. They're amazing amps.
#6
I'm talking to a guy about buying a Pitbull 100/cl, The UL's little brother pretty much!

Someone buy my 5150 please?!
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#7
Oh God! I am GASing for a VHT Deliverance and Sig:X. I love the responsiveness of these amps. You can get a decent tone at low volume as part of their sound is derived from having loads of headroom (most of them run KT88s, which distort very late)
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i dont own vht, but its given that any tube amp in that category WILL always sound better cranked. tubes are usually not great for super low volumes. you can however use a THD hotplate which helps the tone at lower volumes. and are you decided on VHT? i dont really like them at all but w/e.


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This is a misconception. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CRANK AMPS LIKE THIS. They are high gain, they get their gain from the preamp. You actually want to avoid cranking amps like these too loud, you don't want power amp breakup. You just need to turn it up loud enough so that the sound opens up, which you can usually hear happening very quickly (should happen around 1 for most high wattage monsters, sometimes before).
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I'm talking to a guy about buying a Pitbull 100/cl, The UL's little brother pretty much!

Someone buy my 5150 please?!


What kind of music do you play? I tried it with two guitars; a 6 string Schecter, and a 7 string Hellraiser. I generally play lots of rock and metal, but dabble in other stuff as well. I basically like a really clean sound, and a really heavy sound in an amp, and the Pitbull can deliver. If you want an idea as to their sound, listen to stuff like ISIS, Unearth, and Mudvayne.

Aaron from ISIS used to use several Sunn amps, but now uses just one UL, and he goes for REALLY clean sounds (basically to the point of making a JC-120 it's bitch), and a really heavy, sludgy tone, and through the UL he can achieve that, but it's never muddy and really clear. Ken and Buz from Unearth use the Pitbull in conjunction with another amp (Deliverance for Ken, 5150 for Buz). I think Greg just uses a 100CL for his live/recording amp.

But yea, they can get REALLY clean on the clean channel, to cranked AC30 with the gain up high, and the lead channel can go from something like SRV/Hendrix/Gilmour with a strat style guitar, to uber brutal with a 7 string with EMGs, or even just a 6 string in E or Drop D. Shit, even scooping all the mids out, it was still clear....the ONLY thing I could POSSIBLY find wrong with them is that I may have wanted a warmer clean sound, but hell, i mostly stick with the bridge pickup, so if I wanted to I'd just throw on the neck pickup and there, done.

Edit: also, look up the pitbull on youtube; one guy has a demo with an Ibanez UV and uses the lead channel strictly, and goes from teh brutal00rz with the bridge and neck pickup, then rolls off the volume and uses the inbetween position and gets pure tele twang that's as clean as...well...a tele!

Dammit, I really want one of these amps.... : [
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This is a misconception. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CRANK AMPS LIKE THIS. They are high gain, they get their gain from the preamp. You actually want to avoid cranking amps like these too loud, you don't want power amp breakup. You just need to turn it up loud enough so that the sound opens up, which you can usually hear happening very quickly (should happen around 1 for most high wattage monsters, sometimes before).


well actually a lot of high gain amps still need to be turned up quite loud.
you still want the warmth of the power tubes effecting your sound, it gets rid of the fizz and harshness and also adds power tube compression. We don't just use power tubes for the break up.

I'm guessing you haven't played a 5150 or Mesa Rectifier, its a night and day difference between cranked (good sounding) and low volume (pretty damn bad sounding).


And thanks guys!
you make me want this amp even more!
just need to sell that 5150!

oh and the guy i'm potentially buying it from is going to make a bedroom volume demo for me so ill let you know how that goes!
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#11
Two things to know about VHT -

they are tight

they are dry

(i'll try and ignore that innuendo....)

Very good amps - but so different to the rival amps of Mesa, Engl, Orange RV, 5150

Im still not sure about the cleans - they are great but have very little dynamics imo - but looking at what you have - i think the cleans will still be better than that!
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they are tight

they are dry

(i'll try and ignore that innuendo....)


Usually you get one or the other.

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Dammitdammitdammit, not this again...

This is a misconception. YOU DO NOT NEED TO CRANK AMPS LIKE THIS. They are high gain, they get their gain from the preamp. You actually want to avoid cranking amps like these too loud, you don't want power amp breakup. You just need to turn it up loud enough so that the sound opens up, which you can usually hear happening very quickly (should happen around 1 for most high wattage monsters, sometimes before).


I don't own a VHT, but I think I may be able to help a little here.
There's a lot of truth to this for some amps in my experience. Many of you know I have a Soldano SLO 100, which is very similar to a VHT Pittbull 100W (I played one when I was shopping for the SLO). Dry, tight as all getout, roars like a mad beast. They both are deafeningly loud turned up to 2, & just become deeper & ballsier as you go up from there (which is virtually unusable in a band situation, even w/ a loud drummer). Once the power section starts to distort you're in a totally different tonal area, & it's not necessarily all great, which is why my SLO does not respond well to attenuation. I play at low volume often enough, & the sound is much thinner, but like the VHT, it thickens up quickly as you get to gig/practice volume. It does sound better at low volumes than MOST other amps, though. If you want a beastly amp that sounds really good at bedroom levels & incredible when cranked, check out a 5150 III. Just remarkable IMO. Does it all.
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I don't own a VHT, but I think I may be able to help a little here.
There's a lot of truth to this for some amps in my experience. Many of you know I have a Soldano SLO 100, which is very similar to a VHT Pittbull 100W (I played one when I was shopping for the SLO). Dry, tight as all getout, roars like a mad beast. They both are deafeningly loud turned up to 2, & just become deeper & ballsier as you go up from there (which is virtually unusable in a band situation, even w/ a loud drummer). Once the power section starts to distort you're in a totally different tonal area, & it's not necessarily all great, which is why my SLO does not respond well to attenuation. I play at low volume often enough, & the sound is much thinner, but like the VHT, it thickens up quickly as you get to gig/practice volume. It does sound better at low volumes than MOST other amps, though. If you want a beastly amp that sounds really good at bedroom levels & incredible when cranked, check out a 5150 III. Just remarkable IMO. Does it all.

Yeah if i dont sell my 5150 combo for a while, my budget will be high enough for one of those 5153's used.
I've played them a few times at Guitar Center and they really are truly great amps.
I just couldnt find a good setting for a tight metal rythym, but i only had 10 minutes, i'm sure i would have found one.
You're thread a while back about this amp (and demoing it in GC) already made me GAS for one, now you're just adding to it!
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