#1
stuff like canon rock is world famous now, because of all the people that have covered on guitar on youtube etc.

paul gilbert also has a video of him playing four seasons on guitar etc

...what does the pit think?

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#5
Well yes, but I do like some Gilbert and Buckethead, both are quite neo-classical. I do hate Malmsteen's interpretation of classical music, although Malmsteen and music usually results in me wanting to throw my speakers out the window....
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yea some classical ones are good but you don't get the proper feel of the song and the proper meaning of it unless it is played on the correct instrument in my opinion.
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#7
no. you cannot touch the tapping Bach: fugue in dm run that parkerfly taught me on ug 3 years ago!
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#8
Well, yes and no.

I used to think classical music is strictly for classical instruments, but I think in our day and age, especially with genres like Electronica, the classical musicians can do things Mozart and Beethoven could never even imagine. We can truly make the most flawless music, using things like computers.

However, I really hate how Malmsteen, Becker and Gilbert sound when playing classical music.
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yea some classical ones are good but you don't get the proper feel of the song and the proper meaning of it unless it is played on the correct instrument in my opinion.

i agree. i think it brings a great flavor to the piece if done on a different instrument (such as an electric guitar) especially if the player puts their own touch on the piece (such as canon rock) so it's not necessarily the same score of music, but the same song with a different feel due to artistic freedom and the tone of a different instrument
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#11
Matters? If its chamber music than it may sound good, but pieces with more musicians and you lose a lot of the dynamic. For example while things that are simple piano pieces translate over pretty well, anyone trying to turn a strings piece, woodwinds piece, or brass piece is going to lose the quality of the instrument that the composer specifically wanted for the piece. Doesn't mean that a reinterpretation is bad, but it is something to keep in mind when transposing a piece to the guitar.
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#12
No I don't think so.
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#14
I've heard some great pieces of classical music getting totally butchered by I-must-play-a-zillion-notes-per-second guys so i say Nai to that
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#16
I like it if it's done well. Because as stated there are quite a few bad interpretations out there.
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#18
No, it's interesting on another instrument.
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#20
no i like it.. but it always sounds better played by a full ochestera
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#23
Classical music on overdriven guitars is the corniest thing these days. It sounds terribly forced and unnatural, wanting to play classical on the electric guitar but making it sound metal/rock. If I had to define rape musically, I would have to say "classical music on overdriven guitars". But whatever floats each one's boat, I guess.

But I wouldn't say classical can't get out of classical instruments; remember guys, modern instruments doesn't necessarily mean electric guitar, ffs. It can get pretty interesting within an electronic style, for example. Check UG member Xiaoxi's electronic rendition of a Bach fugue.
#24
Classical doesn't have to be limited to traditional classical instruments. At the heart of classical is its composition techniques. Using other instruments simply create a different timbre.

But while this is true, I don't believe Malmsteen or JerryC are "interpreting" classical music. They've arranged classical music into rock tunes, but in the process they strip the classical music of their fundamental techniques and intentions. It's not these guys will never be able to really play or create classical music, but they simply have no clue in even the basis of classical composition to start writing/playing in a legitimately classical fashion.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Classical music on overdriven guitars is the corniest thing these days. It sounds terribly forced and unnatural, wanting to play classical on the electric guitar but making it sound metal/rock. If I had to define rape musically, I would have to say "classical music on overdriven guitars". But whatever floats each one's boat, I guess.

But I wouldn't say classical can't get out of classical instruments; remember guys, modern instruments doesn't necessarily mean electric guitar, ffs. It can get pretty interesting within an electronic style, for example. Check UG member Xiaoxi's electronic rendition of a Bach fugue.

yeah ill go with that also.
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Isn't playing a fast Bach/Mozart piano piece impossible on guitar? Even for Malmsteen since he can't go so high or low at the same time and use 8 fingers?
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Neoclassical is not neoclassical.

Actually, the neoclassical movement already existed. Mendelssohn and Stravinsky were some of the composers who promoted it.

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Isn't playing a fast Bach/Mozart piano piece impossible on guitar? Even for Malmsteen since he can't go so high or low at the same time and use 8 fingers?

That's not really the point. Malmsteen has no idea about how Bach or Mozart is meant to be played. He can play the correct notes, but he can't play the notes correctly. Same goes for pretty much all other shredders and neoclassical metal musicians.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Neoclassical is not neoclassical.

Actually, the neoclassical movement already existed. Mendelssohn and Stravinsky were some of the composers who promoted it.


That's not really the point. Malmsteen has no idea about how Bach or Mozart is played. He can play the correct notes, but he can't play the notes correctly. Same goes for pretty much all other shredders and neoclassical metal musicians.


Yeah, just today I was watching a video where he starts with: "This is actually something by Bach" and plays it and it sounded like a generic shred.
#29
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no. you cannot touch the tapping Bach: fugue in dm run that parkerfly taught me on ug 3 years ago!


AMEN!

bach was a genius. he made toccata in Dm for a tapping guitar!

Not to mention prelude in Cm for distorted guitar and bass =P

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#30
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Yeah, just today I was watching a video where he starts with: "This is actually something by Bach" and plays it and it sounded like a generic shred.

Yep, because he's lacking the fundamental knowledge to play it as classical music.

And I'm not ruling out the potential for classical music being played on distorted guitars or anything like that. Given the proper education and experience in classical composition, one can make a legitimate classical work using modern guitars and band ensembles.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Yep, because he's lacking the fundamental knowledge to play it as classical music.

And I'm not ruling out the potential for classical music being played on distorted guitars or anything like that. Given the proper education and experience in classical composition, one can make a legitimate classical work using modern guitars and band ensembles.


I think that people can play classical music on any instrument that they want will have to face the fact that it won't ever sound as classical as on the original.
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#33
I play Classical music on synths and electric instruments aswell as piano and violin, it's just the logical evolution of the style considering the technology we have now.
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#34
Not if your name's Jason Becker.
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I think that people can play classical music on any instrument that they want will have to face the fact that it won't ever sound as classical as on the original.

Well obviously, there would be a significant difference in timbre.

However, as I was saying, a fugue is a fugue, no matter what instrument(s) you write it for. Using 12 tone system, selective orchestration, retrograde inversions, traditional forms, terraced dynamics, etc are just a few of the many classical composition techniques out there. If a composer used these techniques in an idiomatically correct way, it's classical no matter what. It may be modern or contemporary, but there's no doubt that writing for contemporary instruments can be in the classical tradition.

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Not really. Air was an admirable attempt, but falls short of being legitimately classical.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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