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Do you think protests end up solving anything or actually make a difference? Better yet, do they need to be violent in order to establish change? My personal opinion is that the powers that control the airwaves and means of communication (the government) will always be in the position of higher power, and find a way to tip the scales in their favour. One thing I don't understand though, why do the few always control the masses? ie. a few riot police controlling 40,000 protesters?

All this election stuff got me thinking about politics.
#2
no
it never is, they just hit you with tear gas, pepper spray, nightsticks, tazers and water cannpns until you leave
#3
It depends.

A bunch of dirty hippies or idiots that just make a scene yelling and screaming won't.

Organized people who vote, inform and get their message out certainly can.
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It depends.

A bunch of dirty hippies or idiots that just make a scene yelling and screaming won't.

Organized people who vote, inform and get their message out certainly can.


+1.

Protests are pointless if they're dingy, unfocused, centralized on one group of people, or hap-hazardly thrown together.

Legislation and organized protest is the key to change.
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yes, but ony if the protesters kill at least 50 cops.
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Right. Plus most of the idiots that show up yelling and screaming at protests are there for the sake of being an idiot and don't vote.

I live in Massachusetts. The gays here are organized and focused and managed to get the legislation through to marry. If they would have held a rally and yelled and screamed it wouldn't have happened. They used the channels and got what they wanted - to the dismay of many voters.

Look at how many hippies were anti-Vietnam - but Nixon got elected.
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It depends.

A bunch of dirty hippies or idiots that just make a scene yelling and screaming won't.

Organized people who vote, inform and get their message out certainly can.

If only the hippie douches at my school would realize this.
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It usually sends a message more than it changes anything. However, the message can change things.



yes, and also, the more people who are communicating the message, the more chances things will change

that is pretty much the entire point of protesting, you getting the message out, hopefully influencing more people to spread the message, and if the protest is one of substance, letting the people with power know you are there, what you have to say, and that it is what you truly believe and you can do no other
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if they go large scale they can work

and police killing protesters is sometimes good.
e.g. the boston massacre was a huge propaganda tool
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Whenever I see a group of loud, unwashed protesters I usually take the view that they are protesting against.

When someone is articulate and informed I always listen with an open mind.
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Protesting does make a difference, but violence clouds your message.
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Citizens are the reflection of government, and the same should be true the other way.

Therefore, yes, protests, when organized and followed through properly, are very effective.
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Protesting does make a difference, but violence clouds your message.


That depends on what your message. If your message for example is "let's bring down the goverment" I think attacking polic/government officials would reflect your message quite clearly.
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That depends on what your message. If your message for example is "let's bring down the goverment" I think attacking polic/government officials would reflect your message quite clearly.



That wouldn't be protesting it would be revolting. Protesting would be the first step.
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Do you think protests end up solving anything or actually make a difference? Better yet, do they need to be violent in order to establish change? My personal opinion is that the powers that control the airwaves and means of communication (the government) will always be in the position of higher power, and find a way to tip the scales in their favour. One thing I don't understand though, why do the few always control the masses? ie. a few riot police controlling 40,000 protesters?

All this election stuff got me thinking about politics.

Protests are really the only way to try and begin to change anything in a soceity like we live in ruled from the top (I live in the US just btw). You need to stand up for what you believe in, and show that you are dedicated to your protest, ie not letting the cops control you, use pepper gas, beat you and all that. Getting any media involved, even if a few people just bring video cameras, thats still a way to keep the cops from getting too brutal.

As for violence in protests, if you want to get something legitimately changed, like a law being made, than it has to be non violent and organized all the way, Ghandi, Rev Dr Martin Luther King, for example. But it reaches a point where its just too much to take it, and you need to do something drastic. Not saying you need to start a riot and kill a bunch of cops, but something to at least get you noticed, like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c. Not neccesarily violent, but still definitely got the point across.

But to actually answer your question, protests are good, but be sure to keep it organized, although at this point im so angry i could probably go start a riot
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I don't know, ask MLK.

Having a violent protest is what isn't effective.

You can't deny that the Nation of Islam and the black panthers didn't help the cause. Imo the violent black were the ones that got the law changed and the peaceful ones were the ones shown by history in order to put the cause in a good light.
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That wouldn't be protesting it would be revolting. Protesting would be the first step.


Depends on the level of action I would think, if you only killed a few people I think it woud still be in the protest stage.
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#22
Think of the Russian revolution.

When they went out to protest peacefully, the czar gathered up his dragoons and they stampeded the streets and killed many of peaceful demonstrators.

So it really depends. Gov'ts like the Russian Gov't AT THE TIME!!! could only, and WOULD only be reigned in through force.

And ...obviously; it worked.
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Protesting is useful for building awareness and nothing more. If not followed up with direct action after the support for said action is built up, nothing has been accomplished.
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Do you think protests end up solving anything or actually make a difference? Better yet, do they need to be violent in order to establish change? My personal opinion is that the powers that control the airwaves and means of communication (the government) will always be in the position of higher power, and find a way to tip the scales in their favour. One thing I don't understand though, why do the few always control the masses? ie. a few riot police controlling 40,000 protesters?

All this election stuff got me thinking about politics.


In my opinion, protests can help raise peoples awareness more then solve problems. Of course protesting does help from time to time, as is recognized by the past. But, I think the people now have lost the tenacity to go out and muster up the courage to protest against the things that bother them, and would rather just stick it out until someone else changes it, or they die.

Also, I feel that violent protests are generally more effective them non-violent ones. My reason is because, believe it or not, the government is afraid of us. If you don't believe me, read about CoIntelPro.

However, I wish important topics could be changed through peaceful protesting, but really, how much can a peaceful protest accomplish?

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