#1
Hey quick noob question

If you can fluently play the violin, can u play the cello too? and if u can play the cello, does that mean u can play violin?

like are they the same just different in size, and different in the way u hold them?


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#2
Not really.

the techniques vary for both,
and tuning is different.
but similar.

violin is in treble clef,
cello in bass clef.

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#3
Oh i see
Thanks For clearing that up
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#4
Quote by CoF-Dean
Oh i see
Thanks For clearing that up


no problem,
PM me if you have any other questions about the orchestral family

I play violin, viola, cello, and double bass.
bass is my forte though.



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#5
Quote by Mr. Rittard
no problem,
PM me if you have any other questions about the orchestral family

I play violin, viola, cello, and double bass.
bass is my forte though.




Thanks man

oh i am quite jelous, ive always wanted to try violin or cello haha
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#6
its like saying if you can play guitar then you can play bass
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#7
Oh yeh.. i guess i never really thought of it like that lol
good point
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#8
Quote by Jake the Peg
its like saying if you can play guitar then you can play bass


not really.

the tuning of a bass to guitar is
EADG
EADGBE

guitar is just two more strings than a bass,
but they share common tunings.

the tuning of a violin to cello is
GDAE (opposite of a bass tuning, btw)
CGDA (same as a viola, just an octave lower)

just clarifying things.


EDIT:
Quote by CoF-Dean
Thanks man

oh i am quite jelous, ive always wanted to try violin or cello haha


You should try to learn,
its never too late to start.

its a hard instrument to master,
it takes a lot of work.
but the end result is very rewarding.

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Last edited by Mr. Rittard at Oct 18, 2008,
#9
Quote by Mr. Rittard


You should try to learn,
its never too late to start.

its a hard instrument to master,
it takes a lot of work.
but the end result is very rewarding.


i could try violin. (dont have room for a cello) but arnt they quite expensive? and require lessons
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#10
Aren't the fingerings different/reversed? cello is played down and violin up so...

I used to play violin btw.
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#11
Quote by CoF-Dean
i could try violin. (dont have room for a cello) but arnt they quite expensive? and require lessons


student violins run $300-$500.
so not too bad.

lessons would probably help you a lot.
but its not needed.
you can teach yourself.
just find some good violin books.

Violin for $500ish

Quote by Laces Out Danny
Aren't the fingerings different/reversed? cello is played down and violin up so...

I used to play violin btw.


well down or up is just a matter of which way you are holding it.
the fingering positions are basically the same.
violin is a bit closer together,
cello is farther apart.

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#12
Playing one might give you a head start but it certainly doesn't allow you to play the other.

For anyone who doesn't know, for all non fretted, but fingerboard-having (you get what i mean), string instruments you have to put your fingers in exactly the right place to produce the desired note. This is not at all an easy thing to do but with practise you get quite good at it.
Also, position shifting, which involves putting your first finger where one of the other fingers (or even higher) usually go, needs a very good knowledge of where the notes you want are on the fretboard. This mostly a lot more to do with feel than with actually looking at where you are putting your hands and because your muscles need to remember where to go, you will usually playin tune the best on your own violin, or more specifically the one you practise on.

Any instrument with different length strings will require you to put your fingers in different places. For violinists, the difference between violins is so small that a bit of listening will allow you to play as well in tune on another violin. However, the difference between a viola and a violin is significant (assume you're only playing on the G, D and A strings) and this means that it is a lot harder to play in tune instantly. Instead you have to practise a bit (and assuming you have a good ear) find where the notes are roughly. Even then you will usually play significantly less in tune on a viola if you are a violinist, unless you have practised on it a lot.

If you transport all the problems the viola poses to a violinist onto the cello, which is huge comparitively and has a whole different technique of holding and playing, and a different string and clef then you can see why playing violin would help but not enough to allow a violinist to play fluently on a cello at all.

To Mr. Rittard: Have you done any grades? I've done grade 5 and am doing grade 6 on violin (assuming I pass theory next month).
#13
Quote by 12345abcd3

To Mr. Rittard: Have you done any grades? I've done grade 5 and am doing grade 6 on violin (assuming I pass theory next month).


I haven't done any grades,
I'm not sure what that is.


but I took violin lessons for three years, before my teacher moved, and I stopped lessons,
(by then I was good enough to continue playing without a teacher.)
I took double bass lessons for three years after violin lessons stopped.
then stopped because it was getting unnecessary.
I tried viola for a while, but stopped because I didn't like it.

then finally I learned cello,
no official lessons, I just found some books, and my friend helped me with what I didn't understand.

and thats about it for my classical string experience,
I still play all of them when I feel like it.
I play a lot of other instruments too,
so its hard to balance time for each instruments.

as for theory,
I've been taking two years of theory, and will be continuing next year and hopefully for a few years more.

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#14
Ahh i'd love to be able to play cello or violin, i love the atmospheric effect you can acheive with them which you just simply can't get on a guitar (without a pedal that adds in orchestration that is)
So my question is this; if i was to buy a beginners book and aquire a cheap cello or violin, would it be an easy instrument to pick up and teach meself (i've got a fairly basic knowlage of musican theory)

P.S; I apollogise if this question has already been answered in this thread, but i can't be bothered doing a lot of reading at 12:45 am

Cheers