#1
I have a Cort VS SoloSeries with a Duncan Invader in the bridge. I'm looking for a good high output singlecoil for both the neck and middle positions. The stockers are way to low output for the Invader. I like to play everything from The Beatles, surf, rockabilly, new wave, punk, all the way to Metallica and beyond. I was looking at the Dimarzio Area '58 or '61, but they're low output. Any advice? Thanks.
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if your in the uk look at barenuckles
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hotrails for sure. maybe a jb jr or a lil 59.
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#7
Hot Rails, maybe Cool Rails. If you don't wanna go the 'bucker route, try out some Texas Specials.

Or perhaps those EMG actives that David Gilmour uses now.
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I have a Cort VS SoloSeries with a Duncan Invader in the bridge. I'm looking for a good high output singlecoil for both the neck and middle positions. The stockers are way to low output for the Invader. I like to play everything from The Beatles, surf, rockabilly, new wave, punk, all the way to Metallica and beyond. I was looking at the Dimarzio Area '58 or '61, but they're low output. Any advice? Thanks.

High output singles coils make the SC lose all the charm of the single coil.
Pickups in the neck position shouldn't be high output anyway.
#9
I have 7.2k neck, 8k middle and 10k bridge single coils in my Strat. The single coil charm is still there
#11
7.2k for the neck position is pretty hot. IIRC the aforementioned Fender Texas Specails, which are "hot" is only 7.2k at the bridge.

The EMG single coils in my Tele are both 10k also. I have yet to see a single coil higher.
#12
I have a blue lace sensor in the neck of my strat. Bassy and high output with a bit of strat character. Sounds a bit like a humbucker too. I love it and it suits my style perfectly
#13
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7.2k for the neck position is pretty hot. IIRC the aforementioned Fender Texas Specails, which are "hot" is only 7.2k at the bridge.

The EMG single coils in my Tele are both 10k also. I have yet to see a single coil higher.



my hot gorilla fist is nearly 12K.

Forsaken is right about high output singles losing some of their sigle coil coolness but their are steps that can be taken. How much are you looking to spend? Do you want true singles or noisless singles? What is more important, tone or output?
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my hot gorilla fist is nearly 12K.

Forsaken is right about high output singles losing some of their sigle coil coolness but their are steps that can be taken. How much are you looking to spend? Do you want true singles or noisless singles? What is more important, tone or output?


Aren't the gorilla fists humbuckers though? And gorilla grooves single coils?
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^oops, Yeah... I typed the wrong one. It's my Hot Gorilla Groove that is 12K
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EMG S or EMG SA's have pretty high output. they're active so if you don't have a battery clip you'll need to make one
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#18
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What is more important, tone or output?


Tone is preferable. However, my Invader is a whopping 16.8k
When using it at home practice, I can have my amp's volume set to 3 or maybe 4. When I switch to the singlecoils, I have to turn the amp to 6 to get the same volume. I've only been playing for a few months and am trying to learn as I go. What output values should I look for in the neck and middle to match up with my 16.8k bridge 'bucker?
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How much are you looking to spend?


I love a good bargain, but I'll spend what I have to if it means doing it right the first time.

I would prefer noiseless if the tone isn't compromised much.
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7.2k for the neck position is pretty hot. IIRC the aforementioned Fender Texas Specails, which are "hot" is only 7.2k at the bridge.

The EMG single coils in my Tele are both 10k also. I have yet to see a single coil higher.

7.2K isn't that hot. Texas Specials aren't that hot of a pickup set. Nor are they vintage.

Consider that a 7.2K humbucker is considered vintage output.

7.2 is hotter than a vintage single coil, of course. I said they were modern. 50's style ones are entering 5-6K range. But it's not that hot..
#21
do not get actives. it will f*** ur invader.

go for lace sensors, or maybe cordoroyew's aforementioned gorilla grooves.
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#23
I have lace sensors in my strat and they have great tone and character. Very "chimey", crisp and clean.
#24
As a general rule the less hum a pickup has the less it sounds like a single coil pickup. All noisless singles sacrafice some tone but some are much better than others. I think your best bet is to get something like Lace sensors. They still have the vintage single coil vibe but they also have a special design that helps reduce hum. I'd recomend either the Burgundy or the Light blue.


In a perfect world you would just set your amp so that it is loud enough that in single coil mode it's almost breaking up. Then when you flip down to your invader you get huge distortion without the volume boost, however, I suspect you are not in a situation where you can start doing that.
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#25
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As a general rule the less hum a pickup has the less it sounds like a single coil pickup. All noisless singles sacrafice some tone but some are much better than others. I think your best bet is to get something like Lace sensors. They still have the vintage single coil vibe but they also have a special design that helps reduce hum. I'd recomend either the Burgundy or the Light blue.

How will the 8.0K and 8.9K of the Light Blue and Burgundy stack up against the Invader? Better question is how much louder will they be than the stock pups(which I'm assuming to be around 5K)?

Am I correct in also assuming that you always want to put the least resistance pup in the neck? What would happen if I switched them and put the 8.9K in the neck and the 8.0K in the middle position? Total crap?

Thank's for helping point me in the right direction. I appreciate it.
#26
DC resistance doesn't equal output. And having them the other way around is not a problem.

Volume wise: My red lace sensor is 14.5k. However, it is not particularlly louder than my 6k mid pickup...
#27
Lace is the way to go. Red in the middle, blue in the neck for when you need somthing a little more mellow.
#28
SD Quarter pound?



Those are supposed to be pretty powerful IIRC.
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#29
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Lace is the way to go. Red in the middle, blue in the neck for when you need somthing a little more mellow.


Red in the bridge is about right. For the mid I'd have a silver...
#30
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DC resistance doesn't equal output. And having them the other way around is not a problem.


Sorry, I was under the impression that they kind of went hand in hand. Why do most sets seem to have the higher resistance in the bridge with the lesser resistance in the neck?
#31
If you want the pickups to be more equal volume-wise can you not just lower the bridge invader away from the strings and raise the mid and neck closer?
#32
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If you want the pickups to be more equal volume-wise can you not just lower the bridge invader away from the strings and raise the mid and neck closer?


I can't get the Invader low enough in the body of the guitar. The screws start to back out of the ring at a certain point. Maybe if I got longer springs for the mounting screws I could get it lower. I might try that this weekend. Thanks.

I think I'm still going to get the Lace sensors though, just to improve the tone of the stock cheapies.