#1
Morning all, looking to get replacement pickups for my Tbird (if you're in here to hate, don't bother posting). I'm fairly set on getting EMGs but don't know if I should go for passive or active, mainly because I've no iea what the diffrence is! I know the Tbird has passives as stock, so if I do go active am I going to need to do any extra work to get them to function properly?
#2
you need to replace all the electronics, then find some space in the cavity for the battery.
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all i know is that active pickups require batterys
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Morning all, looking to get replacement pickups for my Tbird (if you're in here to hate, don't bother posting). I'm fairly set on getting EMGs but don't know if I should go for passive or active, mainly because I've no iea what the diffrence is! I know the Tbird has passives as stock, so if I do go active am I going to need to do any extra work to get them to function properly?

There are two diferent ways to make your Bass active, one is to use battery powered active pickups which just boosts the output, whereas active electronics is far more versatile as not only can you boost your Basses output you can also change the tone as this form is actualy a batery powered preamplifier.
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#5
passive pickups + good amp > active pickups + bad amp

TBH I find active electronics a bit needless when there should be a perfectly decen EQ on your amp. Make sure you have a good amp before buying new pickups!
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passive pickups + good amp > active pickups + bad amp

TBH I find active electronics a bit needless when there should be a perfectly decen EQ on your amp. Make sure you have a good amp before buying new pickups!


That is a very blinkered point of view, I wonder if you've had the experience with a decent bass with actives or seen what decent actives can do to a mediocre bass.

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I think that I'm in a position to comment as I've also owned some of the best Bass amplification on the market.
I also put an active kit on my 1965 Fender Jazz Bass.
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active isn't just an EQ. it's a way it sounds. nd I gotta tell you- I'm addicted to active, I don't think I'm ever gonna go passive. it gives you much better sounding punch, better air, cleaner lows, and has much less emphasis on the mids. if I find a passive bass I just need, I'll go for it, but other than that, I'm gonna stay with my battery guzzlers.

also, active electronics tend to be less reliant on the tonewoods, making it so that you while get much more options with your treble than you have been used to.
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#8
From what I understand, EMG doesn't make pickups that retrofit T-Bird. Do you really think it's worth routing out the bass for pickups?

That said, I think an active preamp than new pickups. It'd help that T-Bird tone immensely.
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That is a very blinkered point of view, I wonder if you've had the experience with a decent bass with actives or seen what decent actives can do to a mediocre bass.


I've been to music shops, lied about looking for a new bass and tried out all the most expensive ones, eg. musicmans MIA fenders and the like. I didnt prefer the tone of any but the passives were much cheaper. So Id rather have a MIA Fender P or J than an active Musicman if I had to pay for it.

EDIT: Like all guitar related things it comes down to a matter of taste. I personally thing the tonal range of a passive bass and decent amp is wide enough.
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active isn't just an EQ. it's a way it sounds. nd I gotta tell you- I'm addicted to active, I don't think I'm ever gonna go passive. it gives you much better sounding punch, better air, cleaner lows, and has much less emphasis on the mids. if I find a passive bass I just need, I'll go for it, but other than that, I'm gonna stay with my battery guzzlers.


This is why I choose passive basses--A pretty heavy majority of the active basses I've tried sound thin in the mid-range no matter how much time you spend equing them. I also need to be able to fully adjust my tone and volume from my bass within 30 seconds, and fiddling with 7 different knobs and a couple switches on my bass really irks me. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, I've played a few that sounded fine, but in the end I just used the built in pre to get them sounding like passive basses again

Maybe if i hated my midrange, or wanted a bunch of trebble sizzle on top of booming bass with nothing in the middle I'd like it.
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I've been to music shops, lied about looking for a new bass and tried out all the most expensive ones, eg. musicmans MIA fenders and the like. I didnt prefer the tone of any but the passives were much cheaper. So Id rather have a MIA Fender P or J than an active Musicman if I had to pay for it.

EDIT: Like all guitar related things it comes down to a matter of taste. I personally thing the tonal range of a passive bass and decent amp is wide enough.


And there is my point "You've been to music shops and tried them".
Before I buy I insist on being allowed to take them out and try them in a gigging situation, as an old and respected wrinkly I'm allowed to do that.
The same applies to amps and cabs; no try no buy.
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This is why I choose passive basses--A pretty heavy majority of the active basses I've tried sound thin in the mid-range no matter how much time you spend equing them. I also need to be able to fully adjust my tone and volume from my bass within 30 seconds, and fiddling with 7 different knobs and a couple switches on my bass really irks me. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, I've played a few that sounded fine, but in the end I just used the built in pre to get them sounding like passive basses again

Maybe if i hated my midrange, or wanted a bunch of trebble sizzle on top of booming bass with nothing in the middle I'd like it.

I like how passives sound, I just don't see 'me' in them. you can boost the mids without them going and drowning out everything else. that makes me happy. those thin, shaky mids can break through the mix without breaking through the subs and air. which I like a lot.

but that's just me, you obviously do not and will not ever want to sound like me, even though I sound way better
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Maybe if i hated my midrange, or wanted a bunch of trebble sizzle on top of booming bass with nothing in the middle I'd like it.

Some active Basses have a mid range sweep so that you can control the mids, the UK manufactured J-Retro kit is one such piece of equipment.
Not all actives are the same configuration.
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#14
Yeah, I mean really. If your mid's spec'd at 500Hz, you'll have more midrange than you want. Crank it, and you'll sound like a car horn in a plywood box. If it's at 1kHz, not so much.
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Some active Basses have a mid range sweep so that you can control the mids, the UK manufactured J-Retro kit is one such piece of equipment.
Not all actives are the same configuration.



I know, that's why a specified "a heavy majority" rather than speaking in absolutes. It's all personal preference anyway of course, like I said--I always find myself dialing the tone to a psuedo "passive" sound anyway, so a passive bass is the best for me.

I was just being silly with the comments at the end, not inflamatory.
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TBH I find active electronics a bit needless when there should be a perfectly decen EQ on your amp. Make sure you have a good amp before buying new pickups!


lol, the guitarist of my band said the exact same thing about the 3 band eq on my spector, but, like john swift suggested to you, he had used a guitar with a good active preamp. But that's probably because neither of us have ever actually seen a guitar with a multi-band preamp. Why have on board pre amps (and active pickups, to some extent) never caught on with guitarists, anyway?

Still, TS, I wouldn't put in any pickups that aren't direct replacements. You'd have to reroute the pickup cavities, etc, and possibly drill more holes for the knobs, depending on what preamp you use
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lol, the guitarist of my band said the exact same thing about the 3 band eq on my spector, but, like john swift suggested to you, he had used a guitar with a good active preamp. But that's probably because neither of us have ever actually seen a guitar with a multi-band preamp. Why have on board pre amps (and active pickups, to some extent) never caught on with guitarists, anyway?

Still, TS, I wouldn't put in any pickups that aren't direct replacements. You'd have to reroute the pickup cavities, etc, and possibly drill more holes for the knobs, depending on what preamp you use

too many knobs will confuse the average guitarist. my guitarist once actually told me he wants no instrument with 5+ knobs.
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^ really? When I showed him why the preamp is so useful, he thought it was a really cool idea, and thought guitars should have them too. He even started thinking active pickups were a good idea (before, he thought they sounded too sterile). Granted, my bass only looks like it has 4 knobs (concentric bass/treble pot), but you could that with a guitar too I guess (though they might find concentric knobs even more confusing). Still, I think it's just out of habit. If they started making guitars with active EQ's, and that caught on, then they wouldn't have a problem with it.
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I think so too. I'm not saying all guitarists agrees with mine. I do tend to find the weird ones. I also have the rhythm guitarist who refuses solos and an acoustic player who is of the opinion he can make more sounds with said acoustic than any electric player. they are all great.

I just wish I could find one without any bizarre quirks...
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Why have on board pre amps (and active pickups, to some extent) never caught on with guitarists, anyway?


Feedback is the answer, one of the the guitarists in a Rock Blues Band that I played in had active pick-ups on his Les Paul the result feed back.
Strats and semis for instance are bad enough regarding feedback without making the matter worse by adding actives.
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#21
EMGs are a very, very popular pickup on guitar, and they're actually active pickups, not passive pickups with a preamp. That said, guitar amps don't even friggen have active preamps, let alone the axes themselves!
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